are they really str8?

[Jordan]

Just wanted to hear other girls opinions, Are the guys that want to be with us really "str8"? Or is it all psychological and what we need to hear? let me know your viewpoints girls and guys :)

[Scott]

I would never presume to speak on the behalf of any other guys. I can only speak for myself. I, for one, consider myself straight. I've always been attracted to girls. Genetic and trans. Not once in my life have I ever been attracted to guys. I know many say that guys attracted to t-girls must be gays in denial because of their physical attributes but I don't consider that a factor. If I were to be in a relationship with a lady of that background I would be in a relationship with her, not her penis. If she were to go the full distance and get the full surgery (sorry, I can't think of what it's called at the moment) I would stay with her none the less.
I know I'll probably hear some people say I'm lying, in denial or something like that but I can honestly say I have no confussion in my thoughts and feelings.

Scott

[~*MoNi*~]

i have mixed feelings on this topic. but no matter what there is someone for everyone regardless of gender, preference, or orientation. sex feels good, and love feels good and if you feel good then that's all that matters.

[IsabellaDelRio]

I don't think men that fuck around with trannies are gay because gay men like men that look like men.

Str8-- Only if your 100% TOP (No contact with penis)

Bisexual--Yes if your VERSATILE

[EbbyCT]

people are people fuck the classifications lol yah cant help who you like and what anyone does behind closed doors is on them they can deal with that confusion themselves its not for us to assist in a pointless classification system a guy can say he is str8 all he wants and then behind closed doors puts on a nightie and prances around while gettin plums thrown at him and then take it in the rear like he LIKES it lol but then once he leaves that room he is back on the football feild fuckin cheerleaders and is like the head of the fraternity and back into that "str8" mentality therefore the classifications are pointless wastes of breath if you will.people are gonna do whatever they want no matter their"social classification" the classification i worry abotu lol are murderer theif or liar not gay str8 bi yada yada yada if it feels good dammit do it shouldnt put to much thoght into your own pleasure then you doubt yourself and it ends up being kinda well ...pointless

[SASHA FOXX]

u men r the first 2 bring it up, i keep it real, if asked what i am, i say im a fag with tits that feels like a woman, gag

[TribalNYX]

I would have to say....who cares! Bi, Gay, Str8, As long as you're happy with yourself, who cares what anyone else thinks you are.

[boejonger]

well my current bf is also into tgirls but claims he isn't attracted to men. we are brutally honest with eachother so i believe him. on the other hand is me..... i like men, women and tgirls.... mostly tgirls tho...

much love
.:boe:.

[MsDazzler]

I don't think men that fuck around with trannies are gay because gay men like men that look like men.

Str8-- Only if your 100% TOP (No contact with penis)

Bisexual--Yes if your VERSATILE

I generally agree with this based on my experiences with men.

I have had sex with straight men who did not touch my dick at all, and we still had a great time. So, for them, they were attracted to Tgirls because they look like women.

And I have had guys who wanted to blow me or have me fuck them, and in that cse, they r either closeted gays or bisexuals who do really like cocks but not just men in general but doesnt want to say or think they are gay or bi.

Just my opinion based on my experiences. :lol:

[Transsexual702]

FROM MY EXPERIENCE DEALING WITH MEN - I WOULD SAY YES SOME ARE SOME ARE NOT! JUST HAVE TO KNOW HOW TO PICK THEM LOL.

Just wanted to hear other girls opinions, Are the guys that want to be with us really "str8"? Or is it all psychological and what we need to hear? let me know your viewpoints girls and guys :)

[Harajuku Tgirl]

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[etture]

this the subject that leads many guys to just want to exprience a TS but not date one or at least have her meet his friends or family.I struggle with this ? u can check out my blog and see some stories http://insearchofeve.blogspot.com/ .But the first time I was with my first never touch her penis but did everthing else and I fell for her as a beautiful person that she is.But I left cause my friends will think im gay my family and all that bullshit and I lost the chance to be with someone that was totally amazing.Then I went to a escort and I had oral sex with her.I rode home saying ohh my god I'm I gay I just sucked dick.But I was like she was beautiful nice breast smelled good was soft.Those were the thing I love not some muscle guy or some bottom guy.I love her female attributes it didn't seem to me like a penis.

Anyway shit I spent 24 yrs touch my penis Im a expert in this field It felt good to give some else pleasure.now being fuck in the ass I don't go for that I had my ass licked and its not sexual to me it doesn't get me hard but it was relaxing though.I told my ex if u want srs go for it I love u either way I want u to be happy with your body I love u the person and that doesn't change with srs.I wanted her to meet my family and friends cause If u love some one their can't be shame cause then their is no love.And its no one's business if she is a TS thats up to both of u to share with others the guy next door doesn't tell people his wife fucks him with a didlo so in other words its between both of you what happens.I will never lose a chance on happiness based on what society thinks of me fuck no

anyway here are some quotes from the best website for guys to see beside my blog http://www.tsgirlfriend.com/

"I met this transsexual woman at a club and I am really attracted to her but I am concerned that it means I am gay or something. Am I?"

Some careful dialogue with the guy usually uncovers the fact that he was very attracted to the TS's femininity. Her look, her voice, her movement, her laugh, her smile, her scent, and all those other feminine cues that trigger interest and a masculine response from a guy. Gay guys are not attracted to those attributes.

If it's her femininity, then he's not responding like a gay man would, and thus shouldn't worry about whether he's "turning gay." If the guy can accept that he is attracted to a somewhat different kind of woman and still wants to pursue it, take it just one step at a time.

Some men find today's so-called independent woman to be not very feminine at all, overly assertive, argumentative, prone to characterizing a simple male advance as "harassment," and a general pain in the ass to be around. One guy told me dating a so-called independent woman "is like dating your brother." Who among the women of today delight in being extremely (and classically) feminine? The TS's

[christoronto]

as a male who finds tg's attractive, sexy (all the parts) interesting, empathic, etc. i think it is more of a redefining of ones sexuality. guys who truly like tg's (vs ones who have a fetish) i wouldn't call gay since they aren't attracted to men, just like i wouldn't call being tg gay. i also wouldn't call it being bisexual since that usually means being attracted to men and woman. but it does take a little from both these areas. it all depends how comfortble you are with your body. i like being verstile myself, but it all depends on the other person. the most important thing i think is that both people are happy with who they are and who they are with.

chris

[MsDazzler]

For those people who deride labels and classifications, such is the way of life and you have to deal with it. Labels are how we define the world and be able to make sense of it. If you shopped in a grocery store and there was no label on a can, you would question your purchase of it, no?

If you have ever read an article WHAT'S IN A NAME , the author makes lots and lots of valid points. A name, in itself, is a label of who you are and how other people should call you. Names carry powerful connotations, for instance, if you are named Grace compared to Zelda, you will garner far more interest and positive assumptions about your personality (i.e., you being graceful).

Anyway, my point was being, in the transgender community and straight men who fall into it, they are afraid or insist that labels are ridiculous. But what they really are doing is hiding their heads in the sand.

Have you noticed truly comfortable gay people have no problems with calling themselves gay? Same goes for straight men who are comfortable. Labels may be narrow, but again, it is the way of the world.

Straight men who dont want to be labeled as bisexual or such are showing disrespect to Tgirls. Also Tgirls want acceptance (it is one of their greatest desires) and validation, so they don't want to alienate straight men by insisting on labeling them contrary to what the straight men think of themselves. So they say labels are stupid and unncessary, but what they really are doing is just propagarating the charade and the ostrich-in-the-sand belief.

Since I still am part-time and I havent had any physical changes done yet, I would much prefer date a straight men who can acknolwedge that he could be bi if he is dating or fucking me, since physically, I am still a man undressed, in bed and shower. If he still can get turned on by me undressed and is viewing me as a man physically, he can't be straight. He does not have to announce to the world that he is bi or can fuck Tgirls undressed, but acknowledging it to me is good enough.

Men who insist they are straight even after fucking me undressed are a turn-off. Ultimately, they don't show any respect in the long run, though. Not relationship-material.


On this note, I prefer to date bi men because then they have NO issues dealing with anything in the first place. Plus they would like me in both boi and girl mode, since I can t be full time just yet.
Wow this is getting long-winded, I ll cut it short now. Bye for now! :D

[Ecstatic]

But it's refreshing to hear a girl pose it rather than some guy wondering if he's gay. As for me, I've been bi all my life (well, at least since my first experience with another man over 30 years ago), long before I even knew about transsexuals, so there was never a question for me. However, I am rarely attracted to a man; in fact, I'm really only attracted to the sexual aspect. I am very much attracted to women and TS women emotionally and romantically (and, of course, sexually). Since I "discovered" Tgirls, I haven't been remotely interested in guys, so I'm bi with a strong hetero bias. I love women; I love sex with both male and female "parts"; and thus I love sex with a beautiful tgirl most of all. I'm also versatile sexually: I enjoy oral, top, bottom, so I agree with the above that that makes me bisexual.

[Hugh Jarrod]

Hmmmmmmmmm. Where's that dead horse I feel a need to beat it.

[tsluver247]

I consider myself straight. I find myself attracted to women and TSs, not men. I am into the feminine look, not necessarily their penis. As far as sex with a TS, I look at it as doing whatever it takes to satisfy your partner though I personally do not want to be a bottom.

[estoniaguy]

I don't agree with some girls here that versatile = bisexual.
Bisexuals are persons who like both - male and female sex. Well
I'm not attracted to men and don't want to go to bed with them. I consider ts-girls as females and I like their cocks and be bottom sometimes. btw...I like females also :)
I don't know then if I'm str8 or not....I guess there are no 100% straight or 100% gay or 100% bi.....or maybe they should figure out new term for men who are attracted to females and ts girls.

[MsDazzler]

well I have heard of the term pansexual where you like it all, lol....

men, women, pre/post op transsexuals, transvestites, cross-dressers..

Now that is VERY open minded to all kinds. :P :shock:

[estoniaguy]

hehe...or multisexual :) ...hmm like vitamine

[Ecstatic]

I like omnisexual!

[boejonger]

well I have heard of the term pansexual where you like it all, lol....

men, women, pre/post op transsexuals, transvestites, cross-dressers..

Now that is VERY open minded to all kinds. :P :shock:

That sounds exactly like me! I'm attracted to them all! :wink:
A big orgy with all the people in these forums might be in order. *Oh crap what am I starting!?

much love
.:boe:.

[Scott]

sounds almost like a porn flic storyline. lol

Scott

well I have heard of the term pansexual where you like it all, lol....

men, women, pre/post op transsexuals, transvestites, cross-dressers..

Now that is VERY open minded to all kinds. :P :shock:


It still includes men, and many of the men who like Ts just don't like men.

[latin726]

well for me, nothing turns me on more than a cute girl with a stiff cock bouncing around while she is being turned out..........im not gay but love to look up at a girl when i have her dick in my mouth

[DWG]

Hrmm this is a good question. I know that im not 'gay', but I'm definately attracted to a beautiful, feminine non-op tgirl. Post-op would not have the same attraction, yet im not attracted to other males. So its not the cock that makes me want to be with a tgirl, but if she didnt have it, I wouldnt be as drawn to her.... ok I wasnt confused before but now I am lol.

[Arnmake20]

i dont really have a opinion... lol who am i kiding... its all good to me.. and i think if a guy gets it he is technically bi.. but only if he still likes women.. which he probly does if hes with a ts... well who knows i havent been with a girl since winter 2002 but who know when i will again... who cares its all the same to me... making love doesnt involve just holes... its more than that

[Syko]

I think you girls are being picky and choosy with the term "gay." And in the end, I think you're only demeaning yourself.

Let's break it down with two imaginary characters: Max the man, and Tina the (non-op) tgirl.

Gay (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=gay)- Of, relating to, or having a sexual orientation to persons of the same sex.

Max and Trina are in a relationship. Trina, being a tgirl, acts and lives as a female, and she expects others to treat her in kind. Here, we have a relationship between a man and a woman*. Nothing gay about that.
(* Those who are more homophobic would contest whether or not Tina is a woman, but since this is the tgirl forum, let's just roll with it for now)

Now, what if Max goes down on Tina? Does that make him gay? Only if, during that act, Tina turns into a man for a couple of minutes.

I think you're falling into the trap of designating specific acts as "gay", rather than the overall attraction. What if a guy is fucking a tgirl, and he gives her the reac-around? What if a guy is masturbating and uses a dildo on himself? What if a guy really likes eating corndogs? Please, just keep it simple.

In conclusion: If you want to be treated like a woman, don't call men gay for getting involved with you.

[MsDazzler]

In conclusion: If you want to be treated like a woman, don't call men gay for getting involved with you.


No one is saying that men who like Tgirls are gay nor completely straight, either. The remaining term that makes sense really, is bisexual.

[Syko]

In conclusion: If you want to be treated like a woman, don't call men gay for getting involved with you.


No one is saying that men who like Tgirls are gay nor completely straight, either. The remaining term that makes sense really, is bisexual. But then you still have the exact same problem. Max does not like men. He likes women and tgirls. For Max to be bisexual, as you put him to be, tgirls must therefore be classified as men, correct?

[MsDazzler]

In conclusion: If you want to be treated like a woman, don't call men gay for getting involved with you.


No one is saying that men who like Tgirls are gay nor completely straight, either. The remaining term that makes sense really, is bisexual. But then you still have the exact same problem. Max does not like men. He likes women and tgirls. For Max to be bisexual, as you put him to be, tgirls must therefore be classified as men, correct?


Your example invovled a pre-op Tgirl. What about Tgirls that just dresses, without any hormones? Physically they are still men. Like, for example, last Friday, after a great date, the guy and I got into shower. Where EVERYTHING came off, including my wig and fake paddings. Undressed, I look just like a man. Yet we played and he was definitely hard. He says he is straight and it was his first time with a Tgirl, yet, he could get turned on by me undressed. I m sure the same thing happened to other Tgirls who just dresses or transvestites with straight men.

[Syko]

He says he is straight and it was his first time with a Tgirl, yet, he could get turned on by me undressed. I m sure the same thing happened to other Tgirls who just dresses or transvestites with straight men.I don't know your guy and I can't speak for him. Maybe he's attracted to femininity in the way that you carry yourself. Maybe you look more feminine than you give yourself credit.

Then again, maybe he really is bi and he doesn't wanna admit it. I'd be kinda worried if you had a hairy chest, and he was saying "Ooh yeah, suck my dick, Frank."

[Ecstatic]

Really getting into semantics and self-image. To keep it simple, do you see yourself as a woman, as man, or as something else altogether? I've known gg's with no boobs at all, so it's not whether you have boobs or not. Nor do I think it depends upon whether you have a different anatomical feature: prior to sexual differentiation in the womb, our sex organs are the same and develop differently based upon the hormones which the fetus is exposed to. Although the research is still preliminary and controversial, the same thing happens to our brains, particularly our gender identification and sexual orientation. So I don't accept that "gay" is dependent upon sex organs; it's dependent upon self-image and gender identification. If you identify as a woman, to me you're a woman, and sex between the two of us would not be gay sex. I'm bi and know from gay sex (though it has been many, many years since I've been active that way), and the sex I have with tgirls is not gay sex, else, as someone pointed out, having a gg use a strap-on is gay sex.

[TSMorena35]

I really don't think about it, there are just too many people in the world today that say they are one thing but have behaviors that are consistent with something else.........I save myself the headache and I just refuse to define other people for them. I believe that every person should define themselves for themselves.......If you tell me you are str8, then even if your legs stay up higher in the air than mine, to me you are str8.......just don't raise your legs in the air for me<giggle>

[Arnmake20]

2005

[Ecstatic]

Morena, I think I'd raise something else for you! (Did I just say that?)

[sngletxn]

I made a post in another topic that would actually reproduce the same answer but I want to answer this one also. Honestly ever since I realized my attraction to tg women i wondered about my sexuality, because of what I liked, i settled for just saying I'm bi but not to everyone, I have some close friends who know but not the world. I am a straight man in all actions but I am so damn freaky in the bedroom that it all goes into the wind then. if the world wasn't so hypocritical more men could admit things but gg's are very hypocritical. they can be bi but would never accept a bi man, and society as a whole as this outlook. love should be based on people, even sex should be with whomever you desire. Its worse for me, being a black man and the whole "down low" thing being such an hot issue now. i realized that now I am a dl brotha not because I want to be and not because I mess with men, but how many gg's will accept me for who I truly am? I wish things were simple for everyone but its not...

[edgeoflife]

If a str8 man is attracted to a TS for her feminine attributes, then technically he is str8 man.

This does not classify him as a homosexual in any sense. If he were attracted to a man, thats something one would consider homosexual. I cannot speak for all.

Lets use an example... if anyone has ever seen the movie Soldiers Girl they can relate. Here is the story of a young military man who meets a TGirl and falls for her. He is not showing any signs of a homosexual. He actually has feelings for her and showed an interest in her for the woman she was. He like her. It was a love story. IN no way was he a homosexual.

I guess some people confuse this term too much. From past experience, I condiser myself straight. Attracted to Tgirls. Not men.

[edgeoflife]

hey Arnmake... you referring to the hokey-pokey?

LOL

[Hugh Jarrod]

If a str8 man is attracted to a TS for her feminine attributes, then technically he is str8 man.

This does not classify him as a homosexual in any sense. If he were attracted to a man, thats something one would consider homosexual. I cannot speak for all.

Lets use an example... if anyone has ever seen the movie Soldiers Girl they can relate. Here is the story of a young military man who meets a TGirl and falls for her. He is not showing any signs of a homosexual. He actually has feelings for her and showed an interest in her for the woman she was. He like her. It was a love story. IN no way was he a homosexual.

I guess some people confuse this term too much. From past experience, I condiser myself straight. Attracted to Tgirls. Not men.


Yes Soldier's Girl is the true life story of Calpernia Addams and her BF who was murdered do to homophobia. Calpernia has been on CSI and plays in an upcoming film about a transgendered gurl (M2F). He fell in love with her before anything sexual and fell in love with her for who she was.

Many people over simplify it and say, hay she has a penis therefore you're gay. If you have sex with someone that used to be a man then you are gay. Well then ask them if they'd have sex with Buck Angel, a transgender (F2M). Born a genetic woman, and has a vagina. Therefore having sex with Buck would make you straight by that logic.

[edgeoflife]

Interesting, Hugh.

[Elagese21z]

i have mixed feelings on this topic. but no matter what there is someone for everyone regardless of gender, preference, or orientation. sex feels good, and love feels good and if you feel good then that's all that matters.
I agree completely. 8)

[edgeoflife]

Me too.

[Singchef]

It stands to reason, in my humble opinion, that the men who are attracted to Transexuals are straight.

Speaking for myself, I have been attracted to them for several years now. It really hit me after I moved from Los Angeles to Texas. I only wish I had known it then.

Anyway, I love women; and every now and again I love a women with a little something extra :wink:

Van

[MsDazzler]

Tihs makes me wonder... this discussion is almost something akin to paralleling the punk phenemenon in prisons.. You know, straight men take femme boys as their sex slaves and punks... they even form relationships just like a man and woman, but once out in the real world, straight men look at women again..

[Hugh Jarrod]

Tihs makes me wonder... this discussion is almost something akin to paralleling the punk phenemenon in prisons.. You know, straight men take femme boys as their sex slaves and punks... they even form relationships just like a man and woman, but once out in the real world, straight men look at women again..

I.E. --- Love is where you find it.

[edgeoflife]

Love is love.

[WUTANG]

welll the way i c it is when a gay is attracted 2,r likes other guys he is gay. when he is attracted 2,r likes a TS r female he is st8

[MsDazzler]

Love is love.
That is a sentimential quote but all too frequently, it is too simplistic. :(

[Breena]

guys who like TS or CD's for femm, I think believe that they are straight and probably are for the most part. But if they are attracted because of the penis they are at least part gay or bisexual. Being a CD rather then a transexual, I am attracted to gg, CD, TV and straight "acting" guys, but not really attracted to gay or gay acting men. I consider myself bisexual. That's my two cents... or nickel with inflation :P

Breena

[gabriel]

technically no..cause the word GAY is the combination(which there are alot of combinations) of all the gender labels such as bi/curious/fetishes,les/homosexual etc,but if a guy had never picked you,or had never known you were born a male and you never told of you're history,then that would still make him100%str8 but then thats called decieving :shock:.
Most bi guys do touch the cocks and there are some who would rather not,but "like the idea of it being there"those type are most likely to be bicurious or the cock thing is not a big deal to them, either way if he tops or not touch a cock but knew of youre history he is still fits in the bisexual category,he may not look gay or act gay but sexually he is still bisexual/gay/curious even if he sleep with women,but for the guys who only sleeps with tgirls and men only are more gay/bi.I look at it like a ladder ,the guys who top but still sleeps with women who are all manly ,are the top of all the gays in the ladder,and the bottoms/passive and are girlie queens are the gayes of the gays :wink:.i hope you agree with my frank opinion

[Hugh Jarrod]

Gabriel for the most part I think you're right. Except still a lot of usage of the bi thing. Though you've pretty much got it down. How about this one I know a guy who does gay porn, because he gets payed well, yet dates and has sex with women in his non-porn life.

[angel_glow]

hmmm this is a tough question....hold on il ask my next door neighbour

they all have the tendencie to be ammm

does gay porn, because he gets payed well, yet dates and has sex with women in his non-porn life.
well if there was no touching or any sexual contact or a solo then hes still str8 but since its a a gay porn what does that invlove in it? you just answered the question

[MsDazzler]

does gay porn, because he gets payed well, yet dates and has sex with women in his non-porn life.
well if there was no touching or any sexual contact or a solo then hes still str8 but since its a a gay porn what does that invlove in it? you just answered the question

That s correct. Being bisexual does not necessarily mean you have to LIKE or fall in LOVE with the same sex, just the capability to get turned on. Come on, you have to have a hard dick to fuck a man's ass. lol

miss dazzler you are more inteligent than what you think :wink:

[angel_glow]

think you girls are being picky and choosy with the term "gay." And in the end, I think you're only demeaning yourself. ie.syko



we're not demeaning our selves all i know is i just know the diffrence,between a hetero guy and a bisexual man

[MsDazzler]

the reason we are so intense about this issue is because of the straight men's issues, they make things more complicated and difficult for us, not to mention their absent support whenever LGBT issues come out in the open.

[MsDazzler]

Since my other thread prompted an off-point debate about the same topic as here, I thought I'd bump it up here so they can take it to here.

[eclectic_co]

people are people fuck the classifications lol yah cant help who you like and what anyone does behind closed doors is on them they can deal with that confusion themselves its not for us to assist in a pointless classification system a guy can say he is str8 all he wants and then behind closed doors puts on a nightie and prances around while gettin plums thrown at him and then take it in the rear like he LIKES it lol but then once he leaves that room he is back on the football feild fuckin cheerleaders and is like the head of the fraternity and back into that "str8" mentality therefore the classifications are pointless wastes of breath if you will.people are gonna do whatever they want no matter their"social classification" the classification i worry abotu lol are murderer theif or liar not gay str8 bi yada yada yada if it feels good dammit do it shouldnt put to much thoght into your own pleasure then you doubt yourself and it ends up being kinda well ...pointless


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how have you been friend longtime since i've seen ya! :roll: