Yet again, Police showing why I do not trust them.

[Trogdor]

This is just as bad as the "Don't taze me, bro!!!!" incident.

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/32414436/ns/today-today_people/?GT1=43001

How does a law-abiding mom driving home with two kids end up being Tasered, handcuffed and arrested — while her children are left alone for 40 minutes in the car, waiting for someone to come get them?

That’s a question that Audra Harmon hopes will be answered by a lawsuit she has filed against the Onondaga County (N.Y.) Sheriff’s Department. In the process, she and her attorney told TODAY’s Meredith Vieira Friday in New York, they hope to spur a debate over whether police should be carrying Tasers at all.

The suit, seeking unspecified monetary damages on an array of charges including false arrest and police brutality, has been filed, said attorney Terrance Hoffman, “to bring awareness not only that anybody can be a potential victim, but also awareness to the police officers who have the Tasers to be a little more judicious and think it out a little more before they use this kind of device. Then the overall picture is whether or not Tasers should be used in law enforcement.”
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Quick on the draw?
Nowadays the Web seems awash with videos of police using Tasers on people for reasons that are not always immediately clear. The most famous is the 2007 video of a student screaming, “Don’t Tase me, bro!” as police repeatedly shock him at a political event.

To the list, add the video of Harmon being yanked from her car by a deputy and then shocked to her knees on a rural road for reasons Harmon still doesn’t understand.

A 38-year-old mother of three who has been driving school buses for 11 years, Harmon has said that she didn’t even know exactly what a Taser was until one was used on her after a routine traffic stop last Jan. 31 in the upstate New York county outside of Syracuse.

Harmon had been driving home with her 15-year-old son, whom she had just picked up from wrestling practice, and 5-year-old daughter. She said she was resting her right hand on her cheek as she pulled behind a sheriff’s deputy to make a right turn onto the road where she lived. After she made the turn, the deputy pulled off the road to let her pass, then pulled out behind her with his lights flashing and siren blaring.

No radar
The deputy, Sean Andrews, who has been taken off patrol duty while his department conducts an internal investigation, told her he was ticketing her for talking on her cell phone.

“I was driving with my hand on my cheek, and I think that’s what he saw,” Harmon told Vieira. “After I had given him the chance to look in my purse, check for a cell phone, then he manufactured the ticket with speeding. Again, I told him that he was wrong; I wasn’t speeding, either. Then we went back and forth.”

The speeding charge Andrews cited was doing 50 in a 45 mph zone. The officer said he didn’t use radar, but had paced her car at that speed for several seconds.

The standard advice to motorists during traffic stops is not to get out of the car unless instructed to by police. But Harmon wasn’t thinking of that. She wanted to see the evidence that she was speeding, so she left her white van and began walking back to Andrews’ cruiser.

“I wanted to see the tape. I knew that he was lying. I knew that I wasn’t speeding. I knew that I wasn’t on the cell phone. I wanted him to show me the tape,” she told Vieira.

The dash-cam video shows the officer turning and advancing on Harmon. She says he told her to get back in the van, and she hesitated while she demanded to see the evidence that she was speeding. Her son, alarmed at what he was seeing, yelled, “Mom, get back in!”

At some point, Andrews told her she was under arrest, but Harmon said she doesn’t remember if it was then or later.

“He wanted to arrest me. So after I got in, he wanted me back out again instead of just leaving me get back in my car,” Harmon said.

“It should have been over right there. I wouldn’t have reacted like I did if I had been on my cell phone or I was speeding.”

‘I posed no threat’
Harmon sat in the car hanging onto the steering wheel as the deputy grabbed her arm and dragged her out of the vehicle. As she was standing on the road talking to him, he pulled his Taser. She tried to get back in the van and he fired.

At no time in the dash-cam footage does Harmon appear to be acting belligerent. “I never swore. My hands were not flailing away. I posed no threat to him,” Harmon said.

On TODAY, Audra Harmon said she “posed no threat” to the police officer who Tasered her in front of her children.
Nevertheless, Andrews fired his Taser, despite Harmon begging him not to do it in front of her children. The first shot hit her heavy winter jacket and gave her a mild shock. The officer is seen turning her to face him, then firing another shot that stuck in her chest. Harmon falls to her knees and is pushed face-first onto the pavement and handcuffed.

“My daughter was crying. I heard her saying, ‘Mommy,’ ” Harmon said. “Afterward, my son said that she was really crying hysterically, wanting to know what happened to Mommy. And then of course she wanted her daddy, because she’s Daddy’s girl. She knew that I wasn’t going to be able to come to her, so she wanted Dad.”

After the arrest, more officers arrived — Harmon isn’t sure how many, but thinks there were at least six — along with an ambulance. The EMT technicians removed the Taser barb from her chest and asked if she wanted to be taken to the hospital. Harmon said she did.

A deputy removed her handcuffs in the ambulance and Andrews came to the hospital to give her an envelope with four tickets in it: for speeding, talking on her cell phone, resisting arrest and disorderly conduct.

All charges dismissed
After watching the dash-cam video, local prosecutors dismissed all charges. The Onondaga Sheriff is conducting an internal investigation into the incident and has declined to comment on Harmon’s lawsuit.

Although there were multiple deputies on the scene, Harmon says that her children were left in the car, even though they were within easy walking distance of their home. Harmon’s husband works nights and had to be awoken by deputies banging on his door to get him to come and get his children.

In April, Harmon filed her civil suit alleging numerous violations of state and federal law, including violating Harmon’s Fourth and 14th Amendment rights against unreasonable search and seizure and unauthorized and excessive use of force. The suit also alleges intentionally inflicting emotional distress, false arrest, assault and battery and malicious prosecution.

But Hoffman, Harmon’s attorney, said that bigger issues are involved.

“The issue here really is much broader than Audra’s case,” he told Vieira. “The reason why we’re here is because Tasering has become a problem not only locally. I found out a man in Onondaga County was killed by a Taser within the last year.”

Neither Hoffman nor Harmon hold a grudge against police in general, and both have said that most officers do their jobs well under great pressure. As for Andrews, Harmon said: “I knew that either he was having a bad day or whatever. He knew that I wasn’t doing those things.”

I hope they have that cop's badge for breakfast. It's reasons such as this that I NEVER, EVER will trust my life to the hands of police, since they are getting as dangerous as the ones they are supposed to protect from.

And this woman posed no threat, neither did the kid ( The aforementioned "Don't taze me, bro!" ) who got zapped for heckeling John Karry ( I think the kid had every god damned right to heckel him, seems like it's just like the 60's....just with tasers instead of nightsticks and billyclubs, now. ), or that great grandma. Hell, I seen once a nearly 300 pound cop arrest a girl who was probably not even 100 pounds, unarmed and he tased her and kept on doing so and even continued once she was in the police car.....the girl was SCREMAING for help and trying to break the window by stomping her feet on the glass in an attempt to get away from this manic ( Way to go showing how brave you are, you dumb, overweight lumox ..to protect and serve my ass....with brutes like you, who needs criminals.... ).....and these are not even the cases where people got killed by these weapons....they are weapons, just as deadly as a pistol.

I'd love to see these guys get tased....and the times where there are several cops with the tasers at once....let each one of them get gang-tased.

I'm glad this woman got her charges dropped.....not I hope this disgrace of a cop not only loses his job, but can never be a cop again.....I'm sure prisons would love to hire him, he seems just the type they dig.

[flombago]

Sounds like the officer made a very stupid mistake, but I'm not sure what general conclusion you can draw from the incident except that we probably give too much power (Tasers, etc) to the cops, and if you mix that with stupidity you get a mess.

I bet the woman gets a ton of money. Slam dunk lawsuit. As for the cop, he might get fired but more likely a punishment and reinstatement if his record was clean up to now. Just a guess.

Cops have a perverse incentive to bust people because increasing their arrest record justifies their existence. Still, I think the US system is a lot less corrupt than many other countries.

[Trogdor]

Sounds like the officer made a very stupid mistake, but I'm not sure what general conclusion you can draw from the incident except that we probably give too much power (Tasers, etc) to the cops, and if you mix that with stupidity you get a mess.

I bet the woman gets a ton of money. Slam dunk lawsuit. As for the cop, he might get fired but more likely a punishment and reinstatement if his record was clean up to now. Just a guess.

Cops have a perverse incentive to bust people because increasing their arrest record justifies their existence. Still, I think the US system is a lot less corrupt than many other countries.

An ex-cop admitted to me that they have both arrest and ticket qoutas to meet.....so law enforcement is NOT law, order and justice.....it's just another money-making business.
The police will loose more money if marajuana is not longer illegal cause they make more money off it illegally.

[flombago]

Yeah, but how would you change things ? Like if we had no cops at all, society would break down, at least in the bigger cities. Police = necessary evil.

[Trogdor]

Yeah, but how would you change things ? Like if we had no cops at all, society would break down, at least in the bigger cities. Police = necessary evil.

I myself plan to have concealed wepaons permit....since police NEVER are around when you are in danger. Only show up to give you a ticket for not having a seatbelt or to just harass you. They only arrive to clean up the mess after a nasty incident happens.

You place your life in someone else's hands....you are putting your life in their hands....and living in Michigan, I'd rather watch out for myself than trust these trigger-happy oinkers here.

[Bob of Bob's Tgirls]

I hope she wins her case.

There's a good and bad side to tasers. The good side is that police have a method for subduing a person without using lethal force.

The bad side is that they seem to be overusing them because of the non-lethality. Hopefully there have been enough events leading to enough lawsuits to cause a change in policy.

[blkgsxr]

Most cops who do resort to using tazers well 99 percent of the time have a liable reason... Rule number 1-do not exit your vehicle unless told to do so.
Her mistake-was getting out-most cops will take this as an intimidation move on her part.
The officer said get back in the vehicle-when she exited the vehicle for the second time she made a big mistake-the officer said your under arrest-then the lady was getting into her vehicle after being told she is being held under arrest-It was resisting arrest
I dont think the officer should have tazed the lady but the lady is at fault-at least in my opinion.

facts-
Less than 0.3 of 1 ampere can stop the human heart- Most tasers are rated with 50k volts @ .0162 amperes doesn't mean it cant do harm. I only say this because ive seen some crap happen with electricity-My co-worker actually burned most of his finger off due to his wedding ring(gold conductor) + battery doesn't mix very well.

[Bob of Bob's Tgirls]

Oh, OK. I didn't know all the facts in this particular case, but there does seem to be a growing number of news articles depicting law enforcement abusing the use of tasers. I imagine some of the news stories are BS, but not all I'm sure.

But you're right, a person who doesn't follow simple instructions of the police is going to have a bad day.

A taser can cause a heart attack and death when used on the wrong person.

[Bob of Bob's Tgirls]

Good luck on the concealed weapons permit. At least in California it is nearly impossible to get one. I have a times carried a weapon in my car. It's an iffy decision to make.

[Trogdor]

Good luck on the concealed weapons permit. At least in California it is nearly impossible to get one. I have a times carried a weapon in my car. It's an iffy decision to make.

Here's some more moments of the police at the 'finest'
YouTube - 72 Year Old Grandma Gets Tased
YouTube - 14 Year Old Girl Gets Tased By Cop
YouTube - Cops Taser Family in Their Back Yard
YouTube - Cops Taser Naked Man to Death

With it on camera some of them there. Tasering an old grandma...a 14 year old kid.....a church leader....a pregnent women(?!), and that kid who heckeld John Kerry a few years back and that Polish guy in Canada who died from tasering is more than enough to tell me to take tasers away from this savages cause like the dude in one of the videos said....it's like the oinkers view these things as toys....or as harmless as a phaser on stun you see in star trek...and they are LOOKING for an excuse to use them ( Like he also said, Disorderly conduct is an abused pair of words to arrest you when you did nothing wrong...like the government using national security for cover-ups and doing horrible shit). And what's with the tag-team/gang-bang tasering we see now? Any wonder why they are called pigs? I think that guy was brillient....when a cop uses a taser, the cop MUST fill out the forms and paper work....let's see how many of them will be still trigger happy after that. Cops gotta fill out papers and forms when they shoot someone, so it's fair they use this for their tasers, for they are weapons that can kill or harm as well. We got body armor for guns....now we need body armor for tasers next.

I find it saddening some of our culture seems to be ok with patronizing and disrespect of the public by the police.

And as for concealed weapons....come to Michigan....you need one just to survive.

[blkgsxr]

Good luck on the concealed weapons permit. At least in California it is nearly impossible to get one. I have a times carried a weapon in my car. It's an iffy decision to make.
nor is it cheap-

[Trogdor]

nor is it cheap-

Worth the cost, if you ask me. When depending on others, especially police, you're pretty much gambling....I'd rather invest.

[EdNigma696]

Most cops who do resort to using tazers well 99 percent of the time have a liable reason... Rule number 1-do not exit your vehicle unless told to do so.
Her mistake-was getting out-most cops will take this as an intimidation move on her part.
The officer said get back in the vehicle-when she exited the vehicle for the second time she made a big mistake-the officer said your under arrest-then the lady was getting into her vehicle after being told she is being held under arrest-It was resisting arrest
I dont think the officer should have tazed the lady but the lady is at fault-at least in my opinion.

facts-
Less than 0.3 of 1 ampere can stop the human heart- Most tasers are rated with 50k volts @ .0162 amperes doesn't mean it cant do harm. I only say this because ive seen some crap happen with electricity-My co-worker actually burned most of his finger off due to his wedding ring(gold conductor) + battery doesn't mix very well.

Great observations and well said! I have lurked long enough and am about to reply to Trogdor's rant but wanted to say that I am in complete agreement with your post!

[EdNigma696]

OK Trogdor, I’ve read enough and kept quite long enough – time to call bullshit. First, I’ll make a deal with you, find PROOF that cops anywhere in the US have an actual quota on arrests and I’ll split the money we make with the class-action law suit. The police are there to defend you. Maybe I am wrong, but you clearly aren’t using facts and reason so I will also take liberties. Just dissect your argument a little bit and you will see its inherent weaknesses. In order for there to be quotas on arrests then a couple of things are implied here. First, that cops aren’t arresting people because they break the law, but because there is a number they have to meet and in this situation then once the quota is met then law-breakers have carte blanche to do as they will until the next quotas come out. Second, if a cop can’t meet his quota by finding law-breakers then they have to trump up charges in order to make their quota. Sorry, I think they have enough to do without the mental gymnastics necessary for all that.

Are there bad cops? Yep, they are human just like the rest of us, but I see in you what I see in so much of the media that likes to lump all of “them” into the same bucket based on a single anecdotal example. Yes, you offer some videos that show example of what APPEARS to be cops unjustly using a taser but you didn’t see what happened in its totality. I’ve personally seen examples of force being used in combat that was not only justified but was actually very restrained, but when the news report came out it looked like we were just out there to kill women and children. You said that “so law enforcement is NOT law, order and justice.....it's just another money-making business.” I am sorry, but it sounds to me like you have been on the wrong side of the law a time too many. I’ve gotten tickets just like everyone else has at some time or another but I always knew I was wrong and kept my yap shut while the cop was doing his business.

So far in our discussion I think that Occam’s razor must be called into play and the simplest explanation that offers a solution must be the right one. Vast conspiracy theory or just a few bad examples of cops who made some bad decisions? I’ll go with the few bad decisions.

I don’t know much about you Trogdor other than a couple of minor debates we’ve had on here and don’t presume to know your educational background or anything else so please don’t take this as insulting but do you know anything about social contract theory? While its tenets can vary, most often based on your view of human nature, it generally talks about the need for government to assure our liberties. Thomas Hobbes talked about the brutish nature of man “in a state of nature” where left to his own devices there would be “war of all against all”. John Locke saw our nature in a more positive light and felt we would pretty much behave ourselves and we only needed the trappings of government (cops, etc.,) to ensure that we don’t inadvertently deny each other’s liberties. There are too many ideas here to get into them all but the bottom line with the social contract is that we each agree to cede some small amount of personal liberty to ensure the greater good. The cops sometime write you a ticket, but that keeps my kids safe from speeders.
You said “I myself plan to have concealed wepaons permit....since police NEVER are around when you are in danger. Only show up to give you a ticket for not having a seatbelt or to just harass you. They only arrive to clean up the mess after a nasty incident happens.” Well, this statement alone shows a problem with your basic argument. You want there to always be a cop around, just in case you are in danger, but you never want one around to write you a ticket. You can’t have it both ways. And did you ever consider why nothing bad happens to you when there IS a cop around? Duh, come on man! Criminals don’t do what they do when cops are around.

Now, I apologize to all if my reply seems excessively censorious but I just thought that some should offer some perspective. In an earlier discussion Trogdor you mentioned that a major source of your information is George Noory (tell me if I am taking you out of context and I will retract this) and I would submit that this is a part of the problem. Forgive me but that alone makes me question, a priori, much of what you might offer here. Any media source that spends so much time talking about ghosts, alien abductions, government conspiracies to hide all the above, and does so without even a shred of critical inquiry, is just not indicative of sound logic or clear thinking. I mean, come on, you wrote “I'd love to see these guys get tased....and the times where there are several cops with the tasers at once....let each one of them get gang-tased.” What if I said “I’d love to see George Noory fans get gang raped by Aliens.” or something equally silly? I would rightly be called to task for not only blindly believing in alien abductions as well as discriminating against Noory fans.

OK, humbly and respectfully awaiting my lashings

[orion]

knock knock trogdoor.
lol.
cops will be cops.
boston cops will be what they allways were.
one time in the park wen i was around 20 7 house cops attacked 5 of us because they tought we stole a pocket book.
funny how we were all dressed up kinda pimped out in the typical merry go round outfits of 1986 or 87.
the cops were really rude to us and when they saw our id said suburbia usa well they clamed down alittle but one was a real jerk told us not to come into boston again.
i have 5 high school budies that became cops
and about a dozen around my class.
all were jerks or bullys or wild men.
some were decent guys and changed after much to my surprise.
i think it in how they train the police.
and inter city cops are the worst.
one guy a know is a town cop.
he says it a job not my life.
i dont hang out i dont get involved and i dont care.
it my job and when my shift over i go hunting or fishing.
the problem is most cops let the job become there life.
i work in construction.
it is not my life.
when work is over i put my job away just as i would my tools.
i dont hang out and talk about the job nor do i even like meetings or event that might be work related.
the problem with cops is they dont know how to do this.
it becomes there life.
they have nothing outside it.
and then the power trips begin.
if a cop gets shot well thats the job.
same if a steel worker falls.
there risk involved.
in my job or any job.
you do public service to serve.
not to show off or act like your anything special.
do your job go home and love your wife and kids.
somthing they need to teach cops i think.
mayby thats why they all end up hitting on ducan donut young girls and getting divorced.
i think the problem ls they dont know how to deal with people and see them only as vics or perps and not as people.
they see cops as cops aswell in a kinda twisted tunnel vision.
not all are real bad but some are most are just kinda warped by the twisted mirror image they see of themselfs.
but a few are like my friend who is like me and a job is a job,you do your job well allways never any diffent but your job is not your life.
it only surports you in as a means nothing more.
i take pride in my work yes but it is never all that i am.
i done many jobs in the past even when i worked on cars i loved it but i allways keep it seprate from my after work life except when i was in training.
that did amount to alot of time and today i glad i can spend more time on me like watching entourge in 30 mins.
as for the cops thing on never around well there 100 cops in my town and i see them only on details ever.
it rare to see them except in ducan donuts.
even in boston today but i am kinda glad boston is low crime.
somehow i think more cops just mean more cop details,not less crime.

[Trogdor]

knock knock trogdoor.
lol.
cops will be cops.
boston cops will be what they allways were.
one time in the park wen i was around 20 7 house cops attacked 5 of us because they tought we stole a pocket book.
funny how we were all dressed up kinda pimped out in the typical merry go round outfits of 1986 or 87.
the cops were really rude to us and when they saw our id said suburbia usa well they clamed down alittle but one was a real jerk told us not to come into boston again.
i have 5 high school budies that became cops
and about a dozen around my class.
all were jerks or bullys or wild men.
some were decent guys and changed after much to my surprise.
i think it in how they train the police.
and inter city cops are the worst.
one guy a know is a town cop.
he says it a job not my life.
i dont hang out i dont get involved and i dont care.
it my job and when my shift over i go hunting or fishing.
the problem is most cops let the job become there life.
i work in construction.
it is not my life.
when work is over i put my job away just as i would my tools.
i dont hang out and talk about the job nor do i even like meetings or event that might be work related.
the problem with cops is they dont know how to do this.
it becomes there life.
they have nothing outside it.
and then the power trips begin.
if a cop gets shot well thats the job.
same if a steel worker falls.
there risk involved.
in my job or any job.
you do public service to serve.
not to show off or act like your anything special.
do your job go home and love your wife and kids.
somthing they need to teach cops i think.
mayby thats why they all end up hitting on ducan donut young girls and getting divorced.
i think the problem ls they dont know how to deal with people and see them only as vics or perps and not as people.
they see cops as cops aswell in a kinda twisted tunnel vision.
not all are real bad but some are most are just kinda warped by the twisted mirror image they see of themselfs.
but a few are like my friend who is like me and a job is a job,you do your job well allways never any diffent but your job is not your life.
it only surports you in as a means nothing more.
i take pride in my work yes but it is never all that i am.
i done many jobs in the past even when i worked on cars i loved it but i allways keep it seprate from my after work life except when i was in training.
that did amount to alot of time and today i glad i can spend more time on me like watching entourge in 30 mins.
as for the cops thing on never around well there 100 cops in my town and i see them only on details ever.
it rare to see them except in ducan donuts.
even in boston today but i am kinda glad boston is low crime.
somehow i think more cops just mean more cop details,not less crime.


Well said. ALOT of cops I know were bullies and jerks as children. If a cop gets killed or harmed, that's part of the risk when he or she should have realived when entering police school. These tasering incidents should not have happened....you can get someone in cuffs, if needed WITHOUT shooting or tasering someone. And those videos I posted should not have even happened at all, since I saw no crime commited in needing to shock anyone....and one of those people are dead now, thanks to some retarded primate of a cop who decided, "I know, let's get the jumper off the ledge by electricuting him! I is so smart!" Same with the girl who got tased in the HEAD. "I KNOW! I'LL 'HELP' this girl by electricuting her! I is SO SMART!" I wonder if the pregnent woman's kid is gonna be ok after she got zapped.

As I said, a way we can start, short of taking tasers away, is to make these oinkers sign reports and forms when they use them....they gotta do it when they shoot someone....and tasers ARE weapons, so it's only fair they do it for this....this can help reduce this bullshit. Though I still think we take these things away from them....they are not toys.

Orion, we need a way to police the police. Don't get me started on the story where a man was rejected from entering the police force because he scored to HIGH on his IQ test....yea...that's what we don't need...a SMART guy as a cop, someone who actually has a brain and knows how to THINK. God forbid we get more people like that.

And Nigma, I don't get 'all my sources' from Noory. I simply say I like him and others like him cause they talk stuff no one else dares to. Especially with places like CNN, FOX and so on ranting on all day about Michael Jackson, Anna Niccole Smith's daughter, or who won American Idol, I prefer to listen to intelligent people talking about stuff that can actually stimulate the mind and make one ask questions and seek answers.

Back to topic, I say we outta place all cops on probation when they get tasers....maybe even make them subit to being zapped themselves to know exactly what it's like to be tased.

[blkgsxr]

Well said. ALOT of cops I know were bullies and jerks as children. If a cop gets killed or harmed, that's part of the risk when he or she should have realived when entering police school. These tasering incidents should not have happened....you can get someone in cuffs, if needed WITHOUT shooting or tasering someone. And those videos I posted should not have even happened at all, since I saw no crime commited in needing to shock anyone....and one of those people are dead now, thanks to some retarded primate of a cop who decided, "I know, let's get the jumper off the ledge by electricuting him! I is so smart!" Same with the girl who got tased in the HEAD. "I KNOW! I'LL 'HELP' this girl by electricuting her! I is SO SMART!" I wonder if the pregnent woman's kid is gonna be ok after she got zapped.

As I said, a way we can start, short of taking tasers away, is to make these oinkers sign reports and forms when they use them....they gotta do it when they shoot someone....and tasers ARE weapons, so it's only fair they do it for this....this can help reduce this bullshit. Though I still think we take these things away from them....they are not toys.

Orion, we need a way to police the police. Don't get me started on the story where a man was rejected from entering the police force because he scored to HIGH on his IQ test....yea...that's what we don't need...a SMART guy as a cop, someone who actually has a brain and knows how to THINK. God forbid we get more people like that.

And Nigma, I don't get 'all my sources' from Noory. I simply say I like him and others like him cause they talk stuff no one else dares to. Especially with places like CNN, FOX and so on ranting on all day about Michael Jackson, Anna Niccole Smith's daughter, or who won American Idol, I prefer to listen to intelligent people talking about stuff that can actually stimulate the mind and make one ask questions and seek answers.

Back to topic, I say we outta place all cops on probation when they get tasers....maybe even make them subit to being zapped themselves to know exactly what it's like to be tased.
In CAI know for a fact Los Angeles and San Bernardino County police officers have an option in which most do it-to be tazed. My buddy and his 2 brothers are cops.They somehow got a video of when they were tazed..(3) videos its funny but, to say cops dont know how it feels smh. and thats all I worry about because-I wont be out of CA for a while ^_^

[orion]

hell la pd i say we send em all over to pakastan and let em taz the locals.
lapd has a bad name going back along time.
next tiem we invade a country we should just use the lapd.
they got everything.
tanks and guns and even gunships.
you think la was beruit.
i never been to cali and could care less if nevada becomes new ocean front soon.
you guys out there must have irsurgants like iraq i think.
cause the way you see the swat guess dress you swear they storming katut or something.
i think in gereral cops and guns are a bad idea.
it lends itself to upping the stakes alot.
i think we should have a lower level police force that dose reg duty and then well if there a a bunch of guys who watch too many deniro movies well you can allways call on a swat.
what more funny is they wear black.
they think there all so ninja like.
ever wonder why NRA targets are in black?
llol you could not pick a beter color for a target.
red on the other hand is a bad target color.
why the allways miss th guys jumping the fence in prisons.
gray a good mix hard to define and at night works well.
the germans use red yellow combos that look mighty gay.
but try shoot a guy at 50 meters dressed in it.
cops are on on a total head trip right from there silly black ninja perfict target costumes to there silly change every 3 years pistols.
and we pay for that.
so they can test out 9mm 10 mm .40 s&w sigs glocks and every combo under the sun.
whats most funney is watching them getting tossed from the gun club for being unsafe.
too many dirty harry movies i guess.
they way they talk too is like they in viet nam waiting to be over run by charlie.
how many cops die a year from gunshots.
there more people eaten by pigs.
no pun intended.
how many cops in the usa are there.
500,000
i bet there that many
how many get shot a year
100
mayby
how many fatel.
say 20
i bet more cops get shot by acident then by misfortune.
i bet even more cops are killed in auto acidents off duty than by any other means on duty.
trogdor mayby you should wikki that.
do you job and stop all the i carry the cross nonsence i think.
i bet more cops get killed on tv in one night then in the last 10 years.
orion.

[Trogdor]

hell la pd i say we send em all over to pakastan and let em taz the locals.
lapd has a bad name going back along time.
next tiem we invade a country we should just use the lapd.
they got everything.
tanks and guns and even gunships.
you think la was beruit.
i never been to cali and could care less if nevada becomes new ocean front soon.
you guys out there must have irsurgants like iraq i think.
cause the way you see the swat guess dress you swear they storming katut or something.
i think in gereral cops and guns are a bad idea.
it lends itself to upping the stakes alot.
i think we should have a lower level police force that dose reg duty and then well if there a a bunch of guys who watch too many deniro movies well you can allways call on a swat.
what more funny is they wear black.
they think there all so ninja like.
ever wonder why NRA targets are in black?
llol you could not pick a beter color for a target.
red on the other hand is a bad target color.
why the allways miss th guys jumping the fence in prisons.
gray a good mix hard to define and at night works well.
the germans use red yellow combos that look mighty gay.
but try shoot a guy at 50 meters dressed in it.
cops are on on a total head trip right from there silly black ninja perfict target costumes to there silly change every 3 years pistols.
and we pay for that.
so they can test out 9mm 10 mm .40 s&w sigs glocks and every combo under the sun.
whats most funney is watching them getting tossed from the gun club for being unsafe.
too many dirty harry movies i guess.
they way they talk too is like they in viet nam waiting to be over run by charlie.
how many cops die a year from gunshots.
there more people eaten by pigs.
no pun intended.
how many cops in the usa are there.
500,000
i bet there that many
how many get shot a year
100
mayby
how many fatel.
say 20
i bet more cops get shot by acident then by misfortune.
i bet even more cops are killed in auto acidents off duty than by any other means on duty.
trogdor mayby you should wikki that.
do you job and stop all the i carry the cross nonsence i think.
i bet more cops get killed on tv in one night then in the last 10 years.
orion.


Soon as I do something on Wiki, it could get changed. Anyone knows me knows I have alot of stuff to talk about NASA ( Never a straight answer ) and have added interesting info, but it gets changed all the time, by NASA itself...and NASA's wiki sites are the most heaviliy edited of all of them....me thinks Nasa protesteth too much. Back on topic, I think Dirty Harry would be better cops, since Mr. Calahan went after REAL criminals....I mean how many times do you see these hardcore criminals ever get captured or rubbed out....not much...and it's often much lesser, not so importent things that cops go after....I mean there's a reason prisons are crowded with mainly non-violent offenders ( ie: People with weed or drugs, and the like ). And often it's the good cops that get wasted and the oinkers get away unscathed.

I'm off to go watch some Robocop, now.

[Trogdor]

Here's another example of an oinker just looking to bust someone up, this one beat the shit out of a special education kid....just cause he had an untucked shirt.
YouTube - Cop Does Face Down Take Down on Kid

I ask myself now:

1: Why did this oinker attack him when the kid was adjusting his shirt?
2: Why would an untucked shirt even MATTER to this oinker?

I hope the family and the school has this guy's badge for breakfast. I'd also love to see animals like him be put in a slammer and getting his ass kicked on a daily basis by the scumbags in there.

[Trogdor]

Yet another strike against the oinkers.
YouTube- Why people who believe in censorship suck

Once again, police using disorderly conduct, a term they use as a justification to any of the crapola they do. And for a charge that does not even exist.

Seargent Robert McFarland, yea you, you arrogent, spooge sucking dipstick, I execpt alot more out of you, a so-called 20 year vetern. You're waaaay too stupid and useless to deserve a $62,000 a year job. And I don't care about your past perforances, your pigheadedness could have resulted in loss of life, you stupid, stupid asshole.

Two weeks without pay's not severe enough. Go make love to a cheesegrater, Bobby boy, so you can't have off spring as pathetic as you.