So where are the bars clubs, in DC Bmore area when I get there

[thealtsoc]

Wanna starting meeting people right away if possible.

[EdNigma696]

Wanna starting meeting people right away if possible.

I spend a lot of time in DC but have never gone to the gay or trans clubs there. I just texted a TS friend there and asked her on your behalf and she recommends Apex. The address and number are: 1415 22nd St NW, Washington, DC 20037, (202) 296-0505.

While I've never been inside I have driven past it a few times and there alwasy seemed to be a good crowd trying to get in. Also this is pretty close to DuPont Circle, or the fruit loop (a gay friend told me that so no hate mail please!), which is ground zero for all things "gay friendly" in DC so far as I know.

Good luck and have fun!

[EdNigma696]

Wanna starting meeting people right away if possible.

Sorry for the separate post but she just texted me again and recommended this one too. ziegfeld's/secrets entertainment complex
1824 half street sw
washington, dc 20024
(202) 863-0670

[kalina]

I second the Apex recommendation. I was there on a non-gay night (Wed or Thurs) and I had a lot of fun dancing. A friend of mine took me there.

[thealtsoc]

Cool I'll bookmark this thread then.

[thealtsoc]

I might actually be moving back there in the next few months, sweet.

[LA_Artist]

Actually you are both wrong about Apex. There are almost non that actually go there. Now it depends on what nationality you like. If it is Latina, then you want Chaos. If you want Asian, then you want Zeigfeld's/Secrets on the weekends. It used to be in DC but they recently relocated to Arlington/Alexandria area. But I do suggest avoiding the Zeigfeld's/Secrets. I know all the girls that are there and had long relationships with a couple of them and I can tell you they are bad news. PM me if you want more info. Also keep in mind that all these girls are "working girls", so don't expect a relationship.

[kalina]

Actually you are both wrong about Apex. There are almost non that actually go there. Now it depends on what nationality you like. If it is Latina, then you want Chaos. If you want Asian, then you want Zeigfeld's/Secrets on the weekends. It used to be in DC but they recently relocated to Arlington/Alexandria area. But I do suggest avoiding the Zeigfeld's/Secrets. I know all the girls that are there and had long relationships with a couple of them and I can tell you they are bad news. PM me if you want more info. Also keep in mind that all these girls are "working girls", so don't expect a relationship.

Hee hee... Asian girls can make men insane in both good ways and bad. It probably has to do with what crap they had to put up with with their parents.

[LA_Artist]

Actually I am talking about all the drugs that they are into. And "Nikki" is a mean chic. If you know her, you know what I am talking about. I dated Naomi (Mayumi) for 3 years, so I was heavily into the DC scene. They all know me. Not exactly a good thing in my mind, partly why I moved to Cali.

[EdNigma696]

Actually you are both wrong about Apex. There are almost non that actually go there. Now it depends on what nationality you like. If it is Latina, then you want Chaos. If you want Asian, then you want Zeigfeld's/Secrets on the weekends. It used to be in DC but they recently relocated to Arlington/Alexandria area. But I do suggest avoiding the Zeigfeld's/Secrets. I know all the girls that are there and had long relationships with a couple of them and I can tell you they are bad news. PM me if you want more info. Also keep in mind that all these girls are "working girls", so don't expect a relationship.

Guess this is one of those "depends on who you talk to" sort of things. I too have a pretty good bit of experience with the girls in DC, I don't know that that is a good thing or not but it is what it is. I asked three different Asian TSs and they all recommended Apex as the place they like to go to.

By the way, I too know Naomi, though not as well as you apparently. We have been talking on and off for a while and finally met in DC a couple of weeks ago. She seemed nice enough but I don't see it going anywhere.

[EdNigma696]

By the way Thealtsoc and LA Artist, I sent each of you a private message. Thealtsoc, I sent you an email address for a nice girl (well, that's a relative term I guess lol) in DC who might be willing to show you around. LA Artist, just an offer to compare notes on who we know in DC. Best to you both.

[LA_Artist]

Yea I lived with her when I turned 18. We have good and bad history. lol. See her chest? I paid for them. lol. After 2 years we just started talking again as friends. (It wasn't a great break-up) Im the only one to go to the Philippines with her to meet her mom. And her nephew is named after me. Maybe I have too much history with her. lol.

[EdNigma696]

Yea I lived with her when I turned 18. We have good and bad history. lol. See her chest? I paid for them. lol. After 2 years we just started talking again as friends. (It wasn't a great break-up) Im the only one to go to the Philippines with her to meet her mom. And her nephew is named after me. Maybe I have too much history with her. lol.

Well, sorry to hear it was a bad break up, glad to hear you are friends again, and on behalf of all the men who have met her in person I thank you for her boobs, they are perfect. lol
Not that I saw them without a shirt on over them. We talked for a bit and that was it.

[kalina]

My observations on many, not all, Asian TSs is a lot of Caucasian guys are really attracted to them and think of them as these sweet little innocent flowers who could never ever hurt them, so these guys do things for them, buy them everything they could ever want in the world, and then the problems start when the girls feel that they've "outgrown" the guys that they're with. The big problem is not the girls themselves, but peer pressure from their girlfriends. When you have an Asian TS alone, she's sweet as pie. When you get a bunch of them together, they will connive (I suppose many women are like this). They will all talk to each other and say things like "Oh, he's not good enough for you. Look at yourself now. You're so much better than he is. You two don't even look right together anymore." So the girl gets these wild ideas and starts to drift and eventually... the breakup. She'll even make you feel as if you initiated the breakup just so you feel good about it; a closure, perhaps.

I don't like making blanket statements here, but every Asian TS who has parents who were raised "the old way" (beating/torturing their kids if they did something wrong) has a screw loose somewhere, myself included.

[EdNigma696]

Hey, we've talked about DC a lot but not Baltimore. I will spend the weekend there and wondered if there's any advice about it. I know DC pretty well but not Baltimore. I basically know the inner harbor and that's about it. Went to a baseball game there once too. The coolest Barnes and Noble bookstore I've ever been to....

[kalina]

Hey, we've talked about DC a lot but not Baltimore. I will spend the weekend there and wondered if there's any advice about it. I know DC pretty well but not Baltimore. I basically know the inner harbor and that's about it. Went to a baseball game there once too. The coolest Barnes and Noble bookstore I've ever been to....

I love the Inner Harbor. I know the B&N and I love the ESPN arcade next to it. I like the science museum, the train museum, Fell's Point, the farmer's market, and more. Clubwise, I've only been to Moni's party in Brooklyn, MD.

[Ecstatic]

I love the Inner Harbor. I know the B&N and I love the ESPN arcade next to it. I like the science museum, the train museum, Fell's Point, the farmer's market, and more. Clubwise, I've only been to Moni's party in Brooklyn, MD.

Ahh, and the crab cakes....what was the name of that restaurant Kalina? mmmmm good

[kalina]

Ahh, and the crab cakes....what was the name of that restaurant Kalina? mmmmm good

Phillips :)
It's a chain that started in Ocean City, MD, but a good chain :)

[Ecstatic]

Oh yeah, as good as the crab cakes at the Black Cat on Cape Cod.

[LA_Artist]

Kalina, I understand that is your take on the situation, but it is not the truth of the matter. Naomi started to prostitute and it ate away at the relationship causing me to resent her. I would constantly go to work with scratch marks on my face. She stopped working her "normal" job and I couldn't stay around and watch her destroy herself. I needed to remove myself from the situation.

And well, when it comes to Asian TS. I actually prefer the family structure. I prefer Filipinos because I used to live there. My dad was stationed in Clark when it was there, and my older brother was born there. I go back every year and identify more with them. Anyone who knows me have always joked that I am pinoy at heart. Dating Asian TS is basically my connection back to the only place I have ever felt myself.

I lived with Naomi in a friends place and we saved our money for her implants in the first 6 months of our 3 1/2 year relationship. It was not a matter of her getting all she could out of me. She bought me many, many things in our relationship, so please do not think it was one-sided. It may have been selfish but she was as enamored with me as I was with her. To the point where she disassociated herself from others who has issues with me, even if there was a long standing friendship. Many of her TS friends supported our relationship and even pushed her to first date me. If you knew the true facts, you would actually say that there was no closure amd after 2 years of not talking to her, we have now made our peace.

I guess what I am is saying after all this rambling is that you shouldn't clump everyone into one generalization. The men and the woman in these situation all have a role to play and you should not impose past events, whether they be your own or not, and consider them to be in every Asian TS girls intentions and actions.

This statement may make people irritated with me, but I have convictions and feel that people should not make generalizations about lives that are not their own. Hopefully that will bring respect. Thank you.

[EdNigma696]

I love the Inner Harbor. I know the B&N and I love the ESPN arcade next to it. I like the science museum, the train museum, Fell's Point, the farmer's market, and more. Clubwise, I've only been to Moni's party in Brooklyn, MD.

By the way, I had a great time at the Inner Harbor. While I was waiting for a friend to arrive at Penn Station I went there to study for a while at the B&N you mentioned. I had been there before. What a cool bookstore! Then, when she arrived we stayed in the area for dinner and drinks sitting right beside the water. Good times. :-)

[kalina]

By the way, I had a great time at the Inner Harbor. While I was waiting for a friend to arrive at Penn Station I went there to study for a while at the B&N you mentioned. I had been there before. What a cool bookstore! Then, when she arrived we stayed in the area for dinner and drinks sitting right beside the water. Good times. :-)

Someday maybe Philly will have a great waterfront like Baltimore. I was thinking of getting a second condo down there at some point just because I like the area so much.

[kalina]

Kalina, I understand that is your take on the situation, but it is not the truth of the matter. Naomi started to prostitute and it ate away at the relationship causing me to resent her. I would constantly go to work with scratch marks on my face. She stopped working her "normal" job and I couldn't stay around and watch her destroy herself. I needed to remove myself from the situation.

And well, when it comes to Asian TS. I actually prefer the family structure. I prefer Filipinos because I used to live there. My dad was stationed in Clark when it was there, and my older brother was born there. I go back every year and identify more with them. Anyone who knows me have always joked that I am pinoy at heart. Dating Asian TS is basically my connection back to the only place I have ever felt myself.

I lived with Naomi in a friends place and we saved our money for her implants in the first 6 months of our 3 1/2 year relationship. It was not a matter of her getting all she could out of me. She bought me many, many things in our relationship, so please do not think it was one-sided. It may have been selfish but she was as enamored with me as I was with her. To the point where she disassociated herself from others who has issues with me, even if there was a long standing friendship. Many of her TS friends supported our relationship and even pushed her to first date me. If you knew the true facts, you would actually say that there was no closure amd after 2 years of not talking to her, we have now made our peace.

I guess what I am is saying after all this rambling is that you shouldn't clump everyone into one generalization. The men and the woman in these situation all have a role to play and you should not impose past events, whether they be your own or not, and consider them to be in every Asian TS girls intentions and actions.

This statement may make people irritated with me, but I have convictions and feel that people should not make generalizations about lives that are not their own. Hopefully that will bring respect. Thank you.

No, you're right. Sorry for generalizing. Maybe what I said doesn't apply to you at all. Maybe you met the one girl who had nice parents. That's great!

However, I know MANY Asian girls with first-gen Asian parents who beat them with sticks until they left red/purple marks, some permanent, burned their stomachs with hot wax, beat their genitals, etc. The fact that you mentioned Ziegfield's raised a flag because I knew a few of the girls there (they and I were a part of the group I volunteered for... ASIAC) and these girls know a lot of the girls I know and I know a lot of the girls and guys they know and I know many guys who knew the dating scene there and they also know the girls I know and we agreed that it's not really a big world so there's a chance that you know someone I know and vice versa. (how many times can we say "I know", right? :) )

Here's what one of the DC girls said to a young up and coming Asian TS in the dressing room of a TG party. I usually remember things verbatim...

"You met a man? Good, USE him! Use him for all he's worth. Get him to buy you things. Get him to buy you everything your heart desires because you're worth it!"

Me with my grand college education, I didn't want to oppose what she said because, hey, I'm afraid she'll beat me up. You probably know this girl, too, because she was eminently popular at Zeigfield's as a performer there around 2003 and she's given advice like this to many girls in DC and Philly. The result of that advice is many Asian TGs hook up with older, wealthier men who feed, clothe, and shelter them. There is an obsession with "Do you have a man?" that many of them have. It is like their sexuality is not fulfilled unless they have a man. Yet many of them are still escorts even with all of the niceties they have.

But this is not about blasting one girl or Asian TG attitudes or anything like that. I'm just saying that we're not all that innocent and I included myself in there just to be nice. Also note that I said "My observations on many, not all, Asian TSs... I don't like making blanket statements here, but every Asian TS who has parents who were raised "the old way" (beating/torturing their kids if they did something wrong) has a screw loose somewhere, myself included."

Let me say that "the old ways" are not going to be understood by many people here under the age of 30. Nowadays, parents can get arrested for beating their kids. Back in the olden times (in the 70s and 80s), Asian parents beat their kids as a disciplinary measure... to right a wrong, to correct an ill behavior, or just because the kid spilled a 64 oz can of Hi-C off the table when he was 4 (true story dat).

[thealtsoc]

Actually I can't wait to eat at Philips in B-More :) Moving back Aug 12th.

[icarus2112]

Bump because I will be in B-more DC area in 2 weeks. Flying into BWI on the 15th and nothing to do until 16th afternoon. Then busy all week until Fri afternoon (21st) where I will be staying near BWI until Sunday.

Sooo How easy is it to get to DC (train? subway?) and besides the regular daytime tourist sites, Ive heard mention Apex and Ziegfried as TS friendly bars, is Ziegfrieds still at 1824 half street sw washington, dc ?

Is the public transportation easy to figure out? I hear the subway is pretty good. Im thinking about staying somewhere near Dupont circle for Apex first sat night but have reservations near the BWI the following weekend, whats it like getting back and forth hauling luggage?

I thank Kalina, Ednigma, La Artist and Ecstatic for the ideas so far (Philips for crab cakes).