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Jim Beaux
11-03-2008, 03:44 PM
Source http://intersections.anu.edu.au/issue14/winter.htm
Thanks to Ecstatic for posting the link.

Thailand 63 million, ranked 20th in world by population.

195 mtf TS in Thailand and 147 mtf TS in the Philippines were asked (2001-2003) why they thought they were TS. In (Catholic) Philippines almost no one gave an answer that culture was supportive (family, friends, relatives). In (Buddhist) Thailand, a large percentage cited cultural support as one contributor.

In brief, Buddhism does not prohibit same sex relations, does not prohibit sex outside of procreation, transsexualism is largely seen as a normal cycle that all people go through for misdeeds in a prior life, and there is an element that the individual and society should accept it and get on with it.

Thai law has had limited interference from societies with legal systems based on Christianity or Islam. A law against homosexuality was introduced (in the period 1900-1910), no one was ever prosecuted under it, and it was repealed in 1956 in a purge of anachronistic edicts.

There are other constraints e.g. names to be clearly masculine or clearly feminine (cannot be used by both) and as at the report date, transwomen were classified as having a permanent mental deficiency to excuse them from military service, which greatly impaired their ability to get work. (This has now changed.)

The report uses kathoey for transwomen, but makes clear that this has a couple of negative connotations transwomen would reject, and that the report focuses on what the West would call transsexual i.e. those identifying/living as female.

Access to higher education is easier for Thai TS. Access to religion – Buddhism – is nearly without restriction. Although not recognised in law, Buddhist monks can bless a marriage between a man and transwoman.

The TS women self identified as woman 47%, woman of the second kind 36%, and 12% as kathoey (not a real man).

When Thai transwomen came out 6 out of 10 mothers accepted/encouraged transsexualism, rising to 8 out of 10 when the survey was conducted. For fathers, the respective figures were 4 and 6. Support from parents, siblings, other relatives and friends was one of the contributing reasons quoted as the reason for being TS.

Ecstatic
11-03-2008, 04:12 PM
One added note: the Thai tradition of "another kind of woman" predates the arrival of Buddhism in Thailand by at least 1000 years. There is an ancient origin myth among the northern Tai people wherein the goddess created three types of people: men, women, and sao praphet song ("a second kind of woman"). There was trouble when the transgendered one fell in love with the man and prevented the consumation of his marriage with the woman. The goddess tried again, and the second time the kathoey fell in love with the woman with the same results. Finally the goddess started anew a third time, and this time instructed the kathoey that she would have to allow the man and woman to generate, but that she would hold a special place in society. So the tradition is very ancient indeed, and the tolerant nature of Theravada Buddhism supported that tradition. Also worth noting is that (for all its political upheavals, including today), Thailand is the one country in southeast Asia which was never colonized by a European power and therefore was not subjected to the imposition of European (Christian) or Muslim social mores as other nations (such as the PI) were.

Jim Beaux
12-17-2008, 02:54 PM
++ At the date of the report in the OP it did not matter whether you had SRS or not, your legal gender could not be changed (ditto documents) in Thailand i.e. if born 'male' SRS did not matter, you were still male. As far as I know this is still true today. ++

Treechada Malayaporn, nickname Nong Poyd, had SRS before winning some beauty pageants and going on to become a celebrity. The article has her bio but it also covers clearly what it is to be katoey in Thailand in Dec 08. For example the report writes 'Unlike many homosexuals who grew up against their parent's expectation ...' And Treechada dislikes being called katoey or being told that she is more beautiful than a real woman.

And because she has become famous, people now use her nickname Nong Poyd as a slang phrase for katoeys.

++ In Malaysia, there have been 2 main cases ruled on in the highest court where a mtf TS could prove SRS. Both wanted a legal gender change. In both cases a gender change was denied and in both cases one of the main reasons given was that to do so would 'open the floodgates to homosexual marriages'. ++

Photo is Treechada Malayaporn.

Full article http://www.bangkokpost.com/171208_Outlook/17Dec2008_out42.php

:D

CipEmemi
07-21-2009, 06:09 AM
please can anyone tell me, if a farang can own a house in Thailand, and how do you get around, the land not being in your name...?? thank you:o

orion
07-21-2009, 09:35 PM
i have to comment on this.
"In (Catholic) Philippines "
first the phils is not only catolic infact i found it to be less catolic then what the govt claims.
first there are so many religions in the phils.
angelisia (sorry is i mis spell this some one one can help me out here) is the most commen chuch i seen eveywhere in luzon.
every town has one and i yet to figure out how it came to pass there.
mormons are very commen there as well.
lots of churches.
i even seen a group Hare Krishnas in laguna.
in manila there everything there same as boston,usa.
and most of lower phils is moslim.
i think the goverment try to claim based on the potical power of the roman catolic church that the phils is only catolic.

as for what is claimed about thai law well thai law now says that you cannot remove male genitals.
so how is srs done in the face of this law.

futher more iran is only 2nd to thailand in the amount of srs done.
iran allows for transexurals as along as they dont violate the law, being they must have srs and same rules apply to them as women.
there birth cert are changed to female and under islamic law they are seen as women.

india is hindu but not so progresive as one might think.
anyone who crossdresses is seen as there verion of a trans and is cast out of there normal life.
they are castrated and then send to live with only others of there kind.
now they are seen as witchs in some ways they are givin payment as wedding blessings to other or if you cross one on the street.
but they cant see there familys and are confined to a life alone.
not exactly a free choice.

what most people fail to see is most asian country are very strict about what you can do.
thailand is no exception or india.
sinapore alike. many of these contries have very strict laws on what you can wear,show,do in public and it not like the web.
what you write aswell or even blog.

as for the question on thailand there a law related to what you can own how you it and the land.
even in parts of the usa you cannot own the land.
thailand allows for a special retirement visa you can apply for to live there.
in the case of owning a house in thailand it be no different then if you bought a house in hawwaii.
only natives can own the land such in the case of alot of american islands.
get a lawer and first and foremost because in all land you want to know your rights or other claims on it.
it the same in the usa.
why title insurance is sold.

know before you go and respect other peoples cultures.

autheds09
12-28-2009, 05:16 PM
just saw it on the news... so sad.. one tragedy after another... lets all pray for all the victims family and friends..

Fairymouse
12-28-2009, 11:00 PM
please can anyone tell me, if a farang can own a house in Thailand, and how do you get around, the land not being in your name...?? thank you:o

You can only own a house without the land than a privat person. Only, if you invest 40 Million Baht in Thailand, you can own max. one Rai (1600 qm) land for living there.

This doesn´t affect the legal own of an condon by an farang.

A house, which is planed for condons, can only sold up to 49 % to farang; there may be especially rules in Bangkok and other provinces by the department for up to 100% owned of a house for condons by farang.

Greetings

Fairymouse