are guys who are attracted to tgirls bisexual deniers?

[lar9149]

I was visiting this website

www.tsgirlfriend.com under

It mentioned this and I quote it

"TS's tell me that most of the guys who contact them are, in fact, bisexual or bi-curious. They say these men are often looking for a same-sex experience but packaged in such a way that they have deniability. They seek to deny (to themselves, probably) that sex with a person who has both tits and a dick is homosexual in nature, when the guy is sucking that dick or getting fucked by it."

Just wanted to see if many here felt that this is true and what comments people had about it, both tgirls and guys

[Ecstatic]

If a guy is bisexual as opposed to bi-curious, then he wouldn't be looking for deniability, nor would he consider such sex homosexual. IOW, I think that it's true that many guys who seek sex with TS's are either bisexual or bi-curious, but these groups are not synonymous. A bi-curious guy would be looking for a safe way to test the waters, perhaps being afraid of being gay, but a bisexual guy (one who has already discovered and explored his bisexuality) is not.

i both agree with yous

[Scott]

I mean this in no offense lar but this thread is just gonna cause different people to argue. Similar threads have been started in the past on questioning the male's sexuality and the only thing I learned from them is that almost no one agreed.
I've learned that in life if we are to ever co-exist peacefully we need to just throw away the labels and say "I'll be with who I want to be."
I choose to want to be with a transsexual. People can call me gay, Bi or whatever. That is only their opinion and as long as I'm happy I don't care what people think or say.

My two cents,
Scott

[XXX]

As scott said post like these normally start arguments!

someone has to let out the bad smell again lol

[Wynter Skye]

Hopefully this won't lead to an argument but I felt like sharing my personal outlook on the situation. I personally am very attracted to tgirls. I consider myself straight as far as I am not attracted to men. I have absolutely no desire to ever be with a man whether masculine or feminine as long as he looks like a man. I believe the true debate is not between gay and straight... its between sex and gender. I am attracted to the female gender. While a person may have the plumbing that determines their sex at birth, gender is more a state of mind than anything else.

I see my "100% straight" friends look at tgirls all the time on the street when they don't realize what they are because they look like females. Upon learning that they're genetically male they are disgusted or at least pretend to be. The homophobia that makes some men wince at the thought while others are attracted to the mystique is the only true separating factor.

You can get as technical as you want but we don't live in a black and white world; just shades of gray. If I'm of mixed cultural descent, my mother white my father black and I look white, would I be wrong in announcing myself as white? In the same way if someone looks like a female walks like a female, acts like a female, While not a female certainly would emcompass the female gender to which its natural for the male gender to be attracted to.

Don't want to start any arguments, just putting my thoughts out there.

i think the only one here whos stiring up some shit is lar :lol: :lol: the truth hurts

[lar9149]

The way I see it, the point of this forum is to talk about stuff like this whether it may cause problems or not....otherwise, what is the point of having this forum? Lets just all go away and just delete this forum otherwise...There is a lot of stuff like ts and escorting that stir up shit and everyone disagrees, but hey who cares...lets disagree and just love to hear others point of view...like ecstatic, he has tons of good thoughts and I don't always agree, he does sometimes make me think, hmm, I didn't think of that. We are individuals we are suppose to have different opinions...so lets just all agree to listen and learn from each other, okay?

But in anycase, back to the topic. I hear a lot that men here are attracted to feminity and, therefore, attracted to tgirls. But is there something more? I mean, if we were only attracted to feminity, then I think we would prefer to be with gg only. Afterall, there is more of them, they are more accessible, and we don't have to be worried about being labeled as a "fag" when with them. So I think there is also something like the sex with tgirls, perhaps they relate better, that really attracts us to them.

Now I don't like labels, but that is the way the world works. We have labels all over in our community: bottom, top, pre-op, post-op, transexual, crossdresser, transverstite, etc. There is a label for everything and perhaps it is that way because it helps people to summarize about someone quickly. But to be labeled as bisexual seems unfair because people will automatically assume you like guys. Afterall, that is what the traditional bisexual label means because the definition of what a tgirl is has really sink into the common world yet. They just think tgirls are some uncommon thing that doesn't deserve a label of its own. It was like how flipinos were grouped as Asians, but once people realize there are many of them and they are different, they put in Pacific Islander. Now if you tell someone that you are bisexual and next thing you know they say "hey look at that hot guy, don't you like them?" And they don't understand.

So I don't think we have a problem with labels, it is just when the label is wrong that bothers. Perhaps through time and education, people will realize that men who like tgirls should actually have a different label than the traditional bisexual.

Hey look at it this way: the traditional men and women have three possible labels, homosexual, heterosexual, or bisexual (both)

So now we need a label for ones that like tgirls and shit there are a lot possibilities: men who only like tgirls, men who like tgirls and gg, men who like tgirls, men, and gg, men who like tgirls and men only

[XXX]

Lars, do you think you have a p.h.d in tranny?

lets not give te tranny chasers a hard time even though most of them lies i still love them anyways :lol:

theyre mostly attracted to the penis,cause most cannot go with a man and when the top half is also good and she has all the package its even better.....one day il have my sex change and live somehwhere no one knows me and never reveal that im a post op 8) so that i dont have to go with the chasers

[lar9149]

Lars, do you think you have a p.h.d in tranny?

Hell no! I don't even have a AA in tranny or even an high school diploma. Maybe a preschool certificate through :)

[lar9149]

correct abbreviation is PhD

[lar9149]

Hack I am not even a tranny chaser...I am retired

[XXX]

Hack I am not even a tranny chaser...I am retired

So why do you even care if guys think they are bisexual deniers?

[lar9149]

I don't...just like to hear what people think and stuff. Part of being open minded is realizing that others don't always think like you and knowing how others think

[Ecstatic]

So now we need a label for ones that like tgirls and shit there are a lot possibilities: men who only like tgirls, men who like tgirls and gg, men who like tgirls, men, and gg, men who like tgirls and men only
Lar, of these four groups, I suspect that the last is by far the smallest! Most guys who are truly gay (not bi) are only attracted to men, and therefore not at all to tg's. In fact, this causes quite a bit of hostility between the gays and the TS's at times.

[Wynter Skye]

But in anycase, back to the topic. I hear a lot that men here are attracted to feminity and, therefore, attracted to tgirls. But is there something more? I mean, if we were only attracted to feminity, then I think we would prefer to be with gg only. Afterall, there is more of them, they are more accessible, and we don't have to be worried about being labeled as a "fag" when with them. So I think there is also something like the sex with tgirls, perhaps they relate better, that really attracts us to them.



Everyone has their own personal story. My reason for liking what I like doesn't stem from many of the traditional forms, fashions and excuses that people have and create for liking what they do. I don't have a tragic abuse story or come from a dysfunctional family. While at this time I won't share my story as its more personal than I'd like to reveal, I can truly say that it is not as simple as sexual in the fundamental sense.

My admiration began at a pretty young age (10/11) while at the time I was absolutely disgusted by the thought that the objects of my affections had a penis like me. At certain points in my life, I could have gone either way. I was probably a lot closer than most straight men ever will be to becoming a tg. I just love gg too much. Not too often you see a gg coupled with a tg and I can't live without sex I'm sorry(men are out of the question). My attraction grew from a strong respect and admiration combined with a little open mindedness which puts me where I am today.

I think a lot of people assume that men attracted to tgirls is some sort of fetish or taboo or something that stems from sexual desires. For many of us its just what is. My first sexual experience with a tgirl, I did certain things that I never would have done otherwise, out of a desire to make my partner feel as good as they made me feel. I've never been in any lockeroom checking out other guys packages nor have I thought about any man ever in a sexual way.

I certainly agree with you lar that the world has not caught up with the need for some new terminology though. But like I said before there are way too many shades of gray to label someone bisexual or even to assume why they do the things they do. Of course its not just the femininity that involves us with tgirls, but it is the femininity that attracts us in the first place. Whatever it is from there differs from person to person. Some people like the honesty/courage that is apparent in every tgirl, some like to be fucked by a girl, some like penises, some like taboo, and there are a million different reasons.

[lar9149]

So now we need a label for ones that like tgirls and shit there are a lot possibilities: men who only like tgirls, men who like tgirls and gg, men who like tgirls, men, and gg, men who like tgirls and men only
Lar, of these four groups, I suspect that the last is by far the smallest! Most guys who are truly gay (not bi) are only attracted to men, and therefore not at all to tg's. In fact, this causes quite a bit of hostility between the gays and the TS's at times.

I definitely have to agree there. I have never meet or even heard of anyone in that category and I don't think I ever will.

Anycase, I been thinking about this topic and realized that it would never been answered correctly. Here is my reasoing:

Lets say you are asked "Are you a bisexual denier?"

What if you actually are, you would answer "no" because by definition, a denier would say no.

What if you are not, of course, you woud answer no.

So the answer is always no

Lastly, even if you somehow answered yes and said "you are a bisexual denier." Will than you a either lying or you aren't no longer because you aren't denying it anymore.

[lar9149]

this causes quite a bit of hostility between the gays and the TS's at times.

I don't want to get too much off topic, but this has always bothered me because these are two groups that aren't well accepted by society. Yet they have hostility toward each other. And I think there are many of us that don't accept gays and vice versa. I would think we learn the fact that the narrow mindness of society is the reason these two groups aren't accepted and that people should be more open minded. Yet we seem to also be narrow minded towards gays and vice versa.

[lar9149]

Thanks for shearing your story Jaysin. I think we all have stories like that of how things began and each of us have some differ reason for liking tgirls yet it is the feminity that makes them attractive originally. Hmm may another trend should be started about our first tgirl experience and how we began to like tgirls.

[Hugh Jarrod]

To answer the intitial question. No.

[MsDazzler]

So now we need a label for ones that like tgirls and shit there are a lot possibilities: men who only like tgirls, men who like tgirls and gg, men who like tgirls, men, and gg, men who like tgirls and men only
Lar, of these four groups, I suspect that the last is by far the smallest! Most guys who are truly gay (not bi) are only attracted to men, and therefore not at all to tg's. In fact, this causes quite a bit of hostility between the gays and the TS's at times.

Actually I have met a gay man who said that his boyfriend wanted to become a woman and he s gonna stick by her. so I asked him, what s the relationship gonna be like? He said he loves his boyfriend regardless of what gender or sex organs he has. So... he said, he guesses he s straight because he s gonna be with a girlfriend but if they ever break up, he s not gonna be interested in other tgirls or even genetic girls.

To answer the intitial question. No.

LOL...case closed

Interesting Ms. Dazzler, yea this is as close to the that group that likes men and tgirls that I have heard of. I wonder through if his boyfriend became a girl and they broke up, he may actually start liking tgirls or genetic girls afterwards. Afterall, many of us starting liking tgirls by an conscious experience with a tgirl.

[lar9149]

forgot to log in

[Hugh Jarrod]

Well most gay guys I know look at TG and say no thanks, what they want is a man. Pretty simple, though I'd agree there are always some exceptions to the rules.

[big papa]

i dont think they r n denial,we r just curious about having the best of both worlds

[MsDazzler]

I just posted another comment in another thread but I ll say this again.. I prefer bi guys anyway.

Hopefully this won't lead to an argument but I felt like sharing my personal outlook on the situation. I personally am very attracted to tgirls. I consider myself straight as far as I am not attracted to men. I have absolutely no desire to ever be with a man whether masculine or feminine as long as he looks like a man. I believe the true debate is not between gay and straight... its between sex and gender. I am attracted to the female gender. While a person may have the plumbing that determines their sex at birth, gender is more a state of mind than anything else.

I see my "100% straight" friends look at tgirls all the time on the street when they don't realize what they are because they look like females. Upon learning that they're genetically male they are disgusted or at least pretend to be. The homophobia that makes some men wince at the thought while others are attracted to the mystique is the only true separating factor.

You can get as technical as you want but we don't live in a black and white world; just shades of gray. If I'm of mixed cultural descent, my mother white my father black and I look white, would I be wrong in announcing myself as white? In the same way if someone looks like a female walks like a female, acts like a female, While not a female certainly would emcompass the female gender to which its natural for the male gender to be attracted to.

Don't want to start any arguments, just putting my thoughts out there.

--This is an accurate description of how us straight guys feel...the attraction is always with the female...and any transexual must admit, they got alot more attention after they made the transition.

[bolton113]

all I can say is that I am not attracted to men, or crossdressers. I am attracted to transexuals. Like women though, I am a bit fussy! lol So whatever that makes me, bi, straight whatever...
steve