Has 'LGB' Droped The 'T' ?

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under the LGBT umbrella, if in fact we were ever under it.
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Has "LGB" dropped the "T"?
ENDA: Has "LGB" dropped the "T"? Ask HRC

By Laura Amato

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Last year Joe Solmonese head of HRC Human Rights campaign declared that there would be "no hate crimes or ENDA legistlation without the Transgendered being included". Imagine my surprise then, when I came across the following article on "Radical guy". "While at a luncheon for the Stonewall Democrats in Atlanta Georgia, Guest speaker, Congressman Barney Frank (D-MA) brought up the fact that he will not support a transgender inclusive ENDA without explicit language that includes stipulations to shower usage. Monica Helms, President of the Transgender American Veterans Association and board member of the Atlanta Stonewall Democrats was able to question Congressman Frank regarding his lack of support". You can download Monica's interview here. The worst part is that HRC knows about Reresentative Franks position and approves.

Another fact that isn't in the interview is that Rep Franks approved language allowing employers to improvise a "Dress Code" That would make Transition impossible for many Transgendered. This is prescribed treatment for anyone before obatining surgery. HRC considers this a small necessary concession.

I did receive an email from HRC, as I am a member, asking me to thank my Senators for their Hate Crimes sponsorship of the Transgender Inclusive Bill (and send money. It sounded great until I investigated and found that there is no Transgender inclusion in Senator Kennedy's Bill. In fact last year Kennedy said that "Transgender inclucion in the bill was a deal breaker". HRC knows about this too. Have the Transgendered HRC members been told any of this. Of course not. In fact neither bill is posted on HRC's web site in it's entirety.

Does this mean the gay community opposses us? Some do, but not all. This is HRC and Washington Politics pure and simple. They are selling the Transgendered down the river on a garbage scow. While the word Transgender could end up in both final Bills, it is just that a word without substance.

For years the Transgendered have openly campaigned for gay rights even when we were'nt always getting something out of it. They have given millions to their cause and HRC. Many of us felt thet the "T" in LGBT was an afterthought. Yet we were assured we were welcome and be supported. Still we were suspicous and always felt we would be betrayed at the last minute. Our worst fears have been realized. When was HRC going to tell us?

Barney Franks and HRC are making excuses not to support us. No pre-op Transsexual is going to shower with either gender until they are post-op. They are going to go home. What we do need are bathroom rights, as everyone has to go somewhere. Going to the men's room is a hate crime waiting to happen. Employers can easily designate one accepted bathroom for us. It is not a reason to deny us employment and not a reason to deny us Hate crimes protection. Joe Solmonese needs to get up of of his pompous derrierre and fight for the Transgendered as much as he fights for Gays, Lesbians and Bi-sexuals. He needs to make good on his promise to include us. You can bet if the shoe were on the other foot his letter to us would be a lot nastier than this one.

I have written to HRC by email three times and have not received a reply. If you are Transgendered and wish to write to them this is their address.

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Whoa, you beat me to posting that, Maggie! I'm usually proud to be from Mass, but no on this count. C'mon, Franks and Kennedy!
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Transgender people are fast becoming the last acceptable group to discriminate against. Even shows like 'Daily Show' and Cobert Report on comedy central continually refer to 'trannys' in a very negative way. I think that there are a lot of gay people who would stab transsexuals in the back, I think there are a number of gay men that are jealous of transsexuals. Discrimination against transsexuals is probably easier than against gay and lesbians, if not legal, it is easier to get away with. Even with legislation barring discrimination I think it would be hard to enforce, at least for the purposes of hiring, it may make firing people harder, which would at least be a start. The whole thinkg is a bunch of motherfucking bullshit, it really pisses me off, Barney Frank needs to be keel hauled on the USS Ronald Reagan.
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the devil is in the details of the bill, i guess?
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We were never under any umbrella. Including the "bi" was just to attract the people on the fence. Adding the "T" was a political move at best. Nobody really gives a shit about the trans crowd, not even our own kind. We have our own factions to deal with - drag kings and queens, crossdressers, TV's, genderfuckers or whatever they're called, etc.

Anyone who's gone post typically goes stealth and wants NOTHING to do with the trans community. And why should they? Being gay/lesbian is basically a sexual preference thing which doesn't come into play unless you're... having sex with them. For us, it's a whole different can of worms. We can be noticed just due to physical differences. It's easy to hate and exclude when someone's visibly different, and that's the way it's going to stay for a while, I'm afraid.

When people in Hollywood come out as trans, when we get openly trans politicians in senior positions, when large businesses have openly trans employees in high places, then we'll start to see some respect. It'll be due to the positions these people will hold, not their nature. But once they start showing up, the respect will start to flow. Until then, we're basically screwed.
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Originally Posted by Viridian
We were never under any umbrella. Including the "bi" was just to attract the people on the fence. Adding the "T" was a political move at best. Nobody really gives a shit about the trans crowd, not even our own kind. We have our own factions to deal with - drag kings and queens, crossdressers, TV's, genderfuckers or whatever they're called, etc.

Very true, I think. Hell, being *bi* scarcely approaches the societal onus of the other three, unless one is actively engaged in what to outsiders would appear to be a gay relationship, and is openly accepted among women (i.e., she's just experimenting, as opposed to he's gay). Trans is, as you say, something else entirely, and included only for and when politically convenient.

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Anyone who's gone post typically goes stealth and wants NOTHING to do with the trans community. And why should they? Being gay/lesbian is basically a sexual preference thing which doesn't come into play unless you're... having sex with them. For us, it's a whole different can of worms. We can be noticed just due to physical differences. It's easy to hate and exclude when someone's visibly different, and that's the way it's going to stay for a while, I'm afraid.

I don't think it's quite that simple at all. Yes, many people are disgusted by the thought of two men having sex together, but a great many more are offended or simply bewildered by other social manifestations of gay life: mannerisms, speech patterns, customs. True, only a small subset of gay men or women fit the stereotype that so many people hold, and most are, outside of the bedroom, pretty much indistinguishable from the norm, but it is more than their sexual preference, though as you rightly point out it doesn't cut so deep or so vividly as being trans often does.

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When people in Hollywood come out as trans, when we get openly trans politicians in senior positions, when large businesses have openly trans employees in high places, then we'll start to see some respect. It'll be due to the positions these people will hold, not their nature. But once they start showing up, the respect will start to flow. Until then, we're basically screwed.

True to a point, but I think we've made tremendous progress in my lifetime: I was a babe in arms when Christine Jorgensen had her SRS, and there has been huge progress since then. We're seeing more sympathetic portrayals of trans people on TV and movies (Ugly Betty, All My Children, 20/20, Transamerica, Beautiful Boxer). Yes, we have a long ways to go, but the movement is afoot. Steve Stanton may have been fired from his city manager job in Sarasota for coming out as a trans, but he has brought national focus to to it, and recently elected to not sue over his dismissal but use the momentum to further the cause.
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Viridian has a cyncial take on things, but i agree with her that lesbians and gays are really out for themselves... they consider bisexuals and transpeople an afterthought... just need more numbers, because you know the more people there are, the more powerful the voice is
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well to be fair, the reason T is in "LGBT" is because we all violate "gender norm" one way or another. Gay men violate what it means to be a man and lesbians violate what it means to be a woman and being a transgender violates what it means to be a genetic male /female.

The tension between gays and transgender exist is probably because gay men are telling the world they are still men even though they sleep with other men while transgender are people who are born as males and telling the world they are not really males.

Gay men might think transgender women are fighting against their message.

But really , its about identity.

It’s about the idea that we are still who we are no matter if we sleep with someone of the same sex or which body we are born into.

I think transgender and gays are natural allies. We just have to focus on the message of self identity and determination.
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