Is mankind much older than we think it is?

[Trogdor]

Read this article and then we shall discuss about the topic at hand.
http://www.thothweb.com/article4150.html

*awaits conversation* :)

[Ecstatic]

Advanced civilizations on the order of the Harappa and Mohenjodaro Indus River Valley civilizations, ancient China, and Kemet (ancient Egypt), yes. Civilizations with quite advanced knowledge of math, astronomy, and engineering, yes. On the technological order of our modern civilization, absolutely not: our civilization spans the globe in all climes and terrains, and modern alloys and plastics will endure for 10s of 1000s or even 100s of 1000s of years intact; the evidence would not be rare, but overwhelming. And as regards the co-existance of humans and dinosaurs: please! The earliest proto-hominids did not appear until nearly 60 million years after the dinosaurs (and some 65% of all life forms) vanished from the earth.

[kramtime]

Interesting. That article sounds like something from Leonard Nimoy's old show IN SEARCH OF..... Next thing somebody will come up with is that the world was once ruled by a kingdom of highly intelligent intersexed talking grasshoppers that were capable of space travel. Their downfall was that they ate every plant on the earth and eliminated their own species.

[robin]

Textual evidence and the skeletal records seem to indicate that contemporary Chinese and European people come out of nowhere after 1500 BC, the European Sea People came from the North and attacked Egypt, and the Chinese (Hua) people came from the North and ran the Black Qiang and Yueh tribes, along with the Austronesian Yin (classical mongoloid or Austronesian speakers) off the Chinese mainland back into Southeast Asia or on to the Pacific Islands.

[Trogdor]

When seeing what is clearly water erosion on the Sphinx ( there has been no significant rainfall in the Sahara for like 10,000 years, and the fact the Sphinx looks NOTHING like the Pharoh Chepren that eygptologists claim, the proportions are way off, and the Sphinx faces looks like a more ancient race of man. ), as well as repairs on it dating back to the time of Chepren, I feel that the Sphinx of Giza is MUCH older than what is believed and that Chepreon did NOT build the Sphinx........he repaired it at most.
Also, remember that the greatest library of all time, that of Alexandria, was destroyed, with only a few scrolls and texts at best having surivied the destruction........if we still had that damned library in one piece, oh the history it could tell us. :?

Also, I REFUSE to believe that the great structures of the past, like the pyramids of Eygpt and South America, were built with just mere ramps, pullies, levers and sheer man power. Those massive stones, some weighing in at over 200 tons ( that's the weight of a diesel locomative ), were lifted and fitted into position so precisely that you can't even stick a sheet of paper between the seams shows me that they were built by a very very advanced, civilized society that had a technology that makes our latest technology look like prehistoric junk. :P

The Earth is flat, the sound bearier can not be broken, man will never reach the moon, masturbation causes acne......people use to believe this stuff as fact once before. And when guys like Copernicus and Galileo said stuff about the earth going around the sun, or so on, the authorities had them arrested. I can pretty much see stuff like that now, but more towards ridicule and mud slinging these days.


Plus when I see evidence of what looks like artificiallity on both Mars and the Moon, it makes me wonder were we from not just a more distent time, but a distent world as well? I'd loooove to take the Brookings report ( a large 300+ page report Nasa made durring its founding that states if man were to learn there is life beyond our Earth, or the rements of life beyond our Earth, it would destroy human society ) and shove it so far up Nasa's ass that they'll shit paper for a month.

I think there is more to man's history then what Houghten & Mifflen print in their crummy school text books, in my honest opinion. :P That we might have descended from not primiative hunters and gatherers, but from perhaps advanced cultures who achieved things we are only starting to learn about now.

[BeardedOne]

Damn.

I thought =I= was old! :shock:

[seanchai]

Regarding the erosion on the Sphinx - there has been no rainfall but a hell of a lot of sand blowing around which is more corrosive than water.

I think there are certainly some older civilisations than we know of. What was that book called - something of the God's showing the runways and layouts on the high plains in S.America, pretty fascinating.

seanchai

[Trogdor]

Regarding the erosion on the Sphinx - there has been no rainfall but a hell of a lot of sand blowing around which is more corrosive than water.

seanchai

Actually, there is alot of water erosion on the Sphinx and the Sphinx enclousure. Every guy who I know that's awizz at Geology can back me on it. And yes there is wind erosion no doubt, but the water erosion sticks out like a sore thumb.

[Ecstatic]

Textual evidence and the skeletal records seem to indicate that contemporary Chinese and European people come out of nowhere after 1500 BC, the European Sea People came from the North and attacked Egypt, and the Chinese (Hua) people came from the North and ran the Black Qiang and Yueh tribes, along with the Austronesian Yin (classical mongoloid or Austronesian speakers) off the Chinese mainland back into Southeast Asia or on to the Pacific Islands.
Not out of nowhere, but out of the steppes of southern Russia and central Asia. These Aryans (a peaceful, nomadic, farming people) gradually spread west into Europe and the Mediterranean basin, east into China, and south into the Indian subcontinent where they displaced the failing Harappa and Mohenjodaro civilizations beginning about 1800 BCE (about the same time as the appearance of Abraham in Judea).

Also, remember that the greatest library of all time, that of Alexandria, was destroyed, with only a few scrolls and texts at best having surivied the destruction........if we still had that damned library in one piece, oh the history it could tell us. :?
Hardly the greatest library of all time; that title belongs to the Library of Congress, followed by the Bodleian Library of Oxford, Bibliotheque nationale de France, Harvard University, and the Public Library of New York. The Library of Congress holds 23,994,965 volumes, Harvard University 13,617,133, and the New York Public Library 11,445,971. Alexandria isn't even in the running. What it was, by reputation at least (well documented historically, though there are no hard facts), was the greatest library of the classical Mediterranean region, and certainly a great loss of knowledge from the classical era. Estimates of the number of holdings run to 500,000 papyrus scrolls.

Also, I REFUSE to believe that the great structures of the past, like the pyramids of Eygpt and South America, were built with just mere ramps, pullies, levers and sheer man power. Those massive stones, some weighing in at over 200 tons ( that's the weight of a diesel locomative ), were lifted and fitted into position so precisely that you can't even stick a sheet of paper between the seams shows me that they were built by a very very advanced, civilized society that had a technology that makes our latest technology look like prehistoric junk. :P
I've heard this argument 1001 times, but it doesn't wash for me. First of all, it defies the law of parsimony (that, given two explanations of a phenomenon, one should chose the simpler) and Ockham's Razor ("entities should not be multiplied": that is, the simpler explanation is almost always preferred). More precisely, a civilization as technologically advanced as ours--let alone vastly more advanced--would leave far more evidence, in far greater detail behind, lasting 10s of 1000s and probably 100s of 1000s of years. That evidence simply does not exist. Besides, such claims deny humans the capability of achieving such monumental works in other ways, which to me is a denial of human potential altogether (though at least you're not going Chariot of the Gods on me and claiming aliens erected these monuments).

The Earth is flat, the sound bearier can not be broken, man will never reach the moon, masturbation causes acne......people use to believe this stuff as fact once before. And when guys like Copernicus and Galileo said stuff about the earth going around the sun, or so on, the authorities had them arrested. I can pretty much see stuff like that now, but more towards ridicule and mud slinging these days.
Actually, the Greeks proved that the earth was round over 2200 years ago, and Columbus knew the world was round (after all, his theory was that one could sail around the world to India by going west; he simply did not know how big the world was nor that there were two massive continents and another, larger ocean than the Atlantic separating Europe from Asia). Ca. 200 BCE, Eratosthenes (who, incidentally, was the head librarian of Alexandria in his day) actually estimated the circumference of the earth with a few hundred miles by measuring the length of a shadow at high noon in Alexandria and also at Syrene, 5000 stadia south (500 miles, near the equator). His calculations revealed that direction of the noon Sun between the two spots differed from the zenith by an angle that was 1/50 of the circle, that is, 7. 2 degrees, and that therefore the earth was approximately 250,000 stadia (25,000 miles) in circumference (it is actually 24902 miles at the equator--pretty good estimate).

I think there is more to man's history then what Houghten & Mifflen print in their crummy school text books, in my honest opinion. :P That we might have descended from not primiative hunters and gatherers, but from perhaps advanced cultures who achieved things we are only starting to learn about now.
This I totally agree with.

Regarding the erosion on the Sphinx - there has been no rainfall but a hell of a lot of sand blowing around which is more corrosive than water.
seanchai
Actually, there is alot of water erosion on the Sphinx and the Sphinx enclousure. Every guy who I know that's awizz at Geology can back me on it. And yes there is wind erosion no doubt, but the water erosion sticks out like a sore thumb.
This is true, though it is a subject of ongoing debate academically. Erosion marks indicate vertical scoring associated with water rather than the horizontal marks associated with sand scouring. There is evidence that the sphinx is much older than the other great monuments of the region, dating back to before the Sahara became a desert (perhaps some 6,000 years or more).

[Trogdor]

I think the Sphinx is at least 9000-10000 years old myself. I spoke to many people who told me that the last time any major rain fall happened in the Sahara was 10,000 years ago more or less.


Now I did not mention aliens, though I do believe it is rather possible they have interacted with ancient societies long ago....cause come on SOMETHING inspired those gods that are worshipped. Plus there are ancient cave arts, as well as large pictures you gotta be aborn to see.......those large images were made for somebody to see. Same thing with the pyramids....I can't picture anyone, no matter how rich and powerful spending vast amounts of time, money, labor and so forth just to make a tomb.

Some of you will scoff at me, but I also believe that on Mars, there was at one time a rather advanced society and and that face that I have been obsessed with since I was an 11 year old kid back in 1991 was made to be noticed....it and its surrounding anomolos objects makes me feel someone used to live there before some great cataclysim struck Mars. And I think it is possible we might have interacted or related with them somehow, espcially seeing a mile long face of a humanoid in a place no one would expect to see such an object. :)


If anyone hear is interested in chatting with me about the oddities of Mars, the Moon and Saturn's mysterious moon of Iapitus, looking for my messangers and gime me a ring. :)

[2Real4U]

I guess we're all in luck to have been born when we have. Things are heating up quite a bit lately(no pun intended)...and it has nothing to do with burning rain forests, tail pipe emissions or cow farts.

Some points to ponder:


SUN: The Sun’s magnetic field is over 230 percent stronger now than it was at the beginning of the 1900s, and its overall energetic activity has sizably increased, creating a frenzy of activity that continues to embarrass NASA’s official predictions.

VENUS: Venus is now glowing in the dark, as is Jupiter’s moon Io.

EARTH: In the last 30 years, Earth’s icecaps have thinned out by as much as 40 percent. Quite inexplicably, just since 1997 the structure of the Earth has shifted from being slightly more egg-shaped, or elongated at the poles, to more pumpkin-shaped, or flattened at the poles. No one at NASA has even bothered to try to explain this yet. Link to full article at NASA.

http://www.gsfc.nasa.gov/topstory/20020801gravityfield.html

MARS: The icecaps of Mars noticeably melted just within one year, causing 50-percent changes in surface features. Atmospheric density had risen by 200 percent above previous observations as of 1997.

JUPITER: Jupiter has become so highly energized that it is now surrounded by a visibly glowing donut tube of energy in the path of the moon Io. The size of Jupiter’s magnetic field has more than doubled since 1992.

SATURN: Saturn’s polar regions have been noticeably brightening, and its magnetic field strength increasing.

URANUS: According to NASA’s Voyager II space probe, Uranus and Neptune both appear to have had recent magnetic pole shifts – 60 degrees for Uranus and 50 for Neptune.

NEPTUNE: Neptune has become 40 percent brighter in infrared since 1996, and is fully 100-percent brighter in certain areas. Also, Neptune’s moon Triton has had a “very large percentage increase” in atmospheric pressure and temperature, comparable to a 22-degree Fahrenheit increase on Earth.

PLUTO: As of September 2002, Pluto has experienced a 300-percent increase in its atmospheric pressure in the last 14 years, while also becoming noticeably darker in color.


...and if that hasn't got your panties in a bunch check this out:

http://www.disclosureproject.org/

Up until about a week ago, you USED to be able to go to Google and "google"....
"The Greatest Story Ever Denied"
...and you USED to be able to just watch the 1 hour and 20 minute movie with streaming video. I saw it. I was blown away by the sheer number of military personell WAY up HIGH in rank...now coming out of the closet so to speak regarding their involvement with UFO's etc.

Other points of interest:

Majestic 12 is now effectively "shut down" and defunct. The cat is out of the bag and there is no turning back now!

The Iraq war (both 1 and 2) had nothing to do about oil...or ummm........Democracy....LOL.

There are two "power structures" at play here...one wants to basically through humanity under the bus while the other is trying to help.

If you've got some time to kill, check out these links and watch the vids.

http://www.projectcamelot.org/interviews.html

Go there, in particular...watch Dan Burisch vids. They start 1/2 way down the page.

The John Lear one isn't bad either.

Anyone REALLY paying attention to what has been revealed on TV in the last three months regarding UFO's?

Actual NASA footage and actual NASA recordings?

"We're tracking the alien spacecraft right now".....

What? Too busy watching "reality" shows? LOL

Go here and listen to these radio interviews:

http://www.eaglesdisobey.net/RenseMP3s.htm

For once I am happy to say that a faction of the US is actually on the "right side" in this "mess" as it is unfolding.

If you study a bit of Physics...you'll see that "time travel" is indeed possible.....even Einstien sayd so...... If you watch TV (History channel, Discovery, Science channel) over the past 4 months you'll notice quite a few NOTABLE scientists are coming forward to support this effort.

Basically, the "aliens" (ET's, J-Rods, Ebans, etc) are not alien. They are in fact "us"......from the future. Some are on our side, some are not.

http://www.eaglesdisobey.net/wm_corner.htm


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on a seperate but parallel note......go here and read "The Wave"

http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/waveindex.htm

it is a very long read. Notice how this ties into the first part of my post. It is in fact a natural occurence.

Notice how these beings who have been channeled insist on "we are WHERE we are" when asked "Who ARE you"?

Think about it. Time is not linear. We can only percieve past > present > future>. Time needs an "observer" to be measured. To prove my point: If it is 7 pm in NYC and I call my friend in CA. and yack with him....what is happening... we are having a conversation "at the same time" approx....yet there is a "time difference".

Again, time is a measurement of location.






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