Definition of Bisexual

[MsDazzler]

Since there was a such controversy and debate on this subject in various threads, I thought I'd tie it up neatly here.

WHAT IS BISEXUALITY? BEING ATTRACTED TO BOTH SEXES? IF THAT IS THE DEFINITION, THAT INCLUDES ALL/SOME ATTRIBUTES OF EACH GENDER, CORRECT? Following that logical thinking process, a penis is a part of the attributes of the male sex. so if you say you are attracted to female attributes and not to male attributes, yet you can like and appreciate a cock on a Tgirl, you are bisexual because you can appreciate/be attracted to ONE male attribute.

Therefore, if you can be attracted or enjoy AT least one of the male attributes, you are bisexual. You don't have to like ALL of the attributes on a man to be bisexual.

So....

That is how the train of logical thinking works for me. I am sure many of you will disagree with me but that is the point of this thread. To put all the debate and thoughts in an exclusive BISEXUAL thread, for the convenience of everyone to look at.

I am sure some of you are tired of repeating this, so you can just copy and paste your previous comments in other threads in this.

[trannyfalker]

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No need to copy or paste because it's so easy to type. I disagree.

[Hugh Jarrod]

No need to copy or paste because it's so easy to type. I disagree.

Dam keep forgetting to log in. Good definition and if it works for you then go with it. All is well.

[WendyWilliams]

I hate LABELS, who cares how someone defines their sexuality.............Ill just stick to Im a "freak" PERIOD,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Labels are for clothes not people.

[Ecstatic]

Back before I met any tgirls and was "limited" to sexual encounters with males and females, I was quite happy with the label bisexual if I had to apply a label at all (which I'd just as soon not, but some thrive on labels). Now I haven't been with a man in more years than I can count, but I have been with gg's (my wife :) ) and tg's. Bisexual works ok for me for the reasons you state, MsDazzler, but omnisexual or pansexual work just as well, maybe better. I'm not truly bisexual in the sense of being equally attracted to men and women, since I've never been attracted to men romantically or emotionally, only sexually. However, I am attracted to tgirls in all ways (were I single, I would seek a tgirl as a companion to be sure). So: bisexual? pansexual? just plain ole sexual?

What I know I'm not is heterosexual or homosexual, insofar as either one excludes the other. Beyond that, I'm with Wendy: labels are for clothes. :)

[Arianna]

I hate LABELS, who cares how someone defines their sexuality.............Ill just stick to Im a "freak" PERIOD,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Labels are for clothes not people.

Wendy, that works for me too. Who cares, if it's all on a person-to-person basis. I know what I like, and who I'm with should also. I'm not breaking out a dictionary in the heat of the moment. ;) Next case...

youre either str8 or gay in this world....period we all know that all those labels are only called ont thing really and thats the big "G" word

[Arianna]

youre either str8 or gay in this world....period we all know that all those labels are only called ont thing really and thats the big "G" wordLabels may not be neccessary for some people, but that statement is just a little too simplistic. And what are you, bashful? Let me guess...

[MsDazzler]

I dont really care how people idnetify themselves, but I kept seeing this topic pop up in other threads before... so I thought I'd bring it all over here, so people dont have to repeat themselves..

[Ecstatic]

youre either str8 or gay in this world....period we all know that all those labels are only called ont thing really and thats the big "G" word
Umm-- Great?

There must, by definition, be at least three options: str8 (heterosexual: attracted to the oppositie sex); gay (homosexual: attracted to the same sex); and bi (bisexual: attracted to both males and females). Since human sexuality and, more importantly, gender, is more complex than an either/or option of male/female, bisexual might be better termed pansexual (attracted to all sexes).

Better still, forget labels and be happy in who you are.

this is a perfect topic ms dazzler :-) arianna im not being bashfull all im saying is i know the diffrence between str8 and gay,or bi i live ina real world and im very level headed im not being bashfull at all :lol: im all about the truth honey

[Arianna]

this is a perfect topic ms dazzler :-) arianna im not being bashfull all im saying is i know the diffrence between str8 and gay,or bi i live ina real world and im very level headed im not being bashfull at all :lol: im all about the truth honeySorry then. I thought that you were implying that bi means you must be gay. I'd say that there's a 50/50 ratio with guests that come here to only take cheap shots and stir up shit.

heheh didnt mean to offend you arriana big hugs sowy :roll:

[Hugh Jarrod]

I almost like pansexual as it's better than bi however it still indicates someone attracted to someone else of the same gender. I to don't care for labels (kind of) as I really think human sexuality is much deeper than two, three, or even four labels can handle. However to say you don't care about labels at all (not attacking anyone who said that, just stating everyone cares about labels to an extent) is too simplistic as well. If someone labelled your mother a whore you'd be pretty pissed off, I know I would. As "guest" pointed out though there is the real world. In the real world there seem to be for the most part 2 labels gay and straight, imagine that many closed minded people in the world.

If someone labelled your mother a whore you'd be pretty pissed off,



if it was true why would i be.....

[Scott]

It just boils down to just finding someone that you feel comfortable with and enjoy being with.
People can call me what they want, label me however they want. I just don't care anymore.
I'm happy with who I am and who I like. I know who I am and so do the people that know me. If you're happy with your station in life I say keep being happy.
When a person can accept who they are and be happy with it then in my opinion they have reached the entrance to a personal Nirvana.
I'm not going to say I always knew what made me happy in life but I will say I'm there now and I'm staying there.
My final thought? To Hell with labels. The only label I have says one word. Scott.



Scott

[seanchai]

I couldn't care what label people feel the need to put on me - as I think they're all incorrect.
However, personally I'd disagree with bi-sexual. Bi-sexual, being attracted to two sexes. That would suggest being attracted to male and female. Now your statement that having a penis would be a male attribute is of course, correct but being attracted to, a girl with a penis, no matter what the chromosommes or society states, would still see me being attracted to a girl with a physical anomaly?

How about I was attracted to males and F=>M transgenders who looked like men, had facial hair, muscles, breasts removed, hormones enhanced clit, etc - would I be gay or bi-sexual?

If I needed a defination of what I liked sexually, "straight with a twist".
seanchai

[MsDazzler]

I wonder if DNA is going to be the death of us... since now people can argue we are genetically male no matter how we look like outwards because we have male chromosomes.

[Ecstatic]

Well, there's a certain, albeit extremely limited, way in which that's correct: if you have an X and a Y chromosome, you're genetically male no matter what changes you make. But if you go that route, take it a step further: it's a spectrum, with "ideal" male and female ends but a lot of variance in the middle, especially if you're intersexed (most definitely if you have Klinefelter's Syndrome with XXY chromosomes). The biology is still rudimentary, but I think that being transgendered means that, even if you are born with male genitals, your brain may be "wired" to be female, thus making you intersexed at a more subtle level.

[Hugh Jarrod]

There are also rare cases of XY females, and XX males.

[Ecstatic]

Well, XY is the chromosomal definition of male, unless you're cryptically referring to m2f ts? There are xxy and xyy variants, though.

[Hugh Jarrod]

No watched an entire film on it in a human sexuality class. (My teacher by the way F2M, and was in the film) they had a woman who's chromosome make up was XY yet she was born a woman, happily married and had two children. Another case was a man with femenin manerisms, again happily married, heterosexual yet chromosomes were XX. It's a rare thing but does happen. Other parts of the film were a story of a M2F trans, a F2M trans (my teacher), a man who convinced himself he wanted a change but didn't feel right after and is now a "Mutulated male" their definition not mine. As well they looked at a SF bar called The Motherload, which is now Diva's.

[Ecstatic]

Very rare indeed: could be Swyer's Syndrome or Gonadal Dysgenesis, XY Female Type. Another variant is CAIS (Congenital Insensitivity to Androgen Syndrome). However, I've never heard of such cases being fertile. All this does raise the question, how is sex determined?

Humans usually have 46 chromosomes per diploid cell consisting of 22 sets of autosomes [a gene carried on a non-sex chromosome and present in two copies in both sexes] and a set of sex chromosomes - either XX or XY. In the usual course of events, individuals with the karyotype 46, XX are female and individuals with 46, XY, are male.

The question arises as to how the sex of an individual is determined. Is sex determined by the number of X chromosomes - with one X you are male or with 2 X's you are female? Or is sex determined by the presence or absence of the Y chromosome - the presence of a Y makes for a male or the absence of a Y produces a female?

The answer was provided by individuals resulting from non-disjunction of the sex chromosomes. Some individuals have 45 chromosomes and have only one X chromosome; other individuals have 47 chromosomes and have two X chromosomes and a Y. The table below indicates the sex of these individuals.

Chromosome
Constitution Name of Syndrome Sex of
Individual Frequency in
Population
46, XX Normal Female 0.511*
46, XY Normal Male 0.489*
45, XO Turner's Syndrome Female 1/5,000
47, XXY Klinefelter's Syndrome Male 1/700
*Female (46,XX) and Male (46,XY) frequencies taken from the US Census projection of July 1, 1996 with no correction for chromosome constitution.
It is clear that the presence of a Y chromosome is necessary for male sexual characteristics to develop. The number of X chromosomes present does not play a significant role in sex determination.

Source: Intersex Society of North America http://www.people.virginia.edu/~rjh9u/sexdet.html

Swyer's Syndrome is another variant, 46 XY Female Gonadal Dysgenesis:

Gonadal dysgenesis, XY female type, is associated with point mutations or deletions of the SRY gene (480000), but also in some cases with changes in the X chromosome.

At birth the patients with the XY female type of gonadal dysgenesis (Swyer syndrome) appear to be normal females; however, they do not develop secondary sexual characteristics at puberty, do not menstruate, and have 'streak gonads.' They are chromatin negative and have a 46,XY karyotype. . . . Patients are of normal stature and have no somatic stigmata of Turner syndrome except, of course, the lack of secondary sexual characteristics and streak gonads.

Source: Online Meddelian Inheritance in Man, Johns Hopkins University http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/dispomim.cgi?id=306100

CAIS and other variants:

Developmental abnormalities
XY "female"; Congenital Insensitivity to Androgen Syndrome (CAIS) or Testicular Feminization (tfm)
--chromosomal sex is XY; gonads are testes; ducts are male
--external genitalia are female; vagina ends in blind pouch
--defect in receptor to testosterone; cells unable to bind androgens and cannot respond even though normal male levels of androgen are present
--inherited as X-linked trait
--mothers of affected "females" have some cells which bind androgen and some cells which do not
--psychologically female

XX "male" - Congenital Androgenital Syndrome (CAS)
--chromosomal sex is female (XX); gonads are ovaries with oviducts, uterus, and vagina
--external genitalia appear male-like with penis and scrotum but vaginal opening may be present
--adrenal glands larger than normal and produce increased amounts of testosterone
--inherited as autosomal recessive

XY "female then male" - Guevedoces
--chromosomal sex is male (XY); gonads are testes, ducts are male
--external genitalia appear at birth as female; clitoral-like penis, undescended tests so scrotum appears like labia
--at puberty, penis enlarges, testes descend, male characters appear,
--associated with reduced enzymatic activity involving conversion of testosterone to DHT
--autosomal recessive inheritance

Source: http://www.people.virginia.edu/~rjh9u/sexdev.html

[Arianna]

I wonder if DNA is going to be the death of us... since now people can argue we are genetically male no matter how we look like outwards because we have male chromosomes.I will always consider myself to be a transsexual woman. I'm perfectly ok with that. I'll never know the experiences of menstruation or child birth, which is fine with me. The body I was born in is a healthy male one; so I don't feel like a woman "trapped" in a man's body. I'm a human being who knows how I feel, and how I want to live my life; as what the world commonly refers to as a "female". Ultimately that's an external social problem, and not a personal medical one. If society wants to have it's hang ups about that stuff, it's unfortunate.