Trans Lovers VS Open-Minded Guys

[MsDazzler]

This topic prompted intense discussion in a chat room one day so I thought I would post it here and see what kind of replies I get from other forum users.

DISCLAIMER: I KNOW THIS IS A GENERALIZATION AND THERE ARE ALWAYS EXCEPTIONS TO THE NORM. SO KEEP THIS IN MIND, OK? :)

Here is my observation:

Trans lovers who seek out or love transsexuals specifically tend to be fixated on their cocks. They may want to play with or touch it, or get fucked by them.

Consequently they tend to have issues with their identities (they r closeted homosexuals or bisexuals but don't want to admit to be such )

They don't usually mesh well with Tgirls who don't want their cocks being played with because they want to be women in all ways.

Open-minded guys tend to be 100% heterosexual. They may have never done anything with cocks in the past. They also don't usually specifically seek out Tgirls, just women in general.

Upon finding out she has a cock, this type of guy usually is very open minded and say "Well you have an ass and mouth". He usually tops only and does not really like sucking. He will eat her out just like a woman.

Now, do you agree with my observations? (I base this on countless convesrations with men online, and real-life experiences)

Few girls from the chatroom and I agreed that we prefer the open-minded guy type because then we know they didn't seek us out for our dicks specifically like Trans Lovers. Plus we don't have to endure them wanting to play with our cocks in bed as well.

And there are subtle differences in the way trans lovers and open minded guys treat their Tgirls as well. An example can be seen in the way they approach or talk to you (this is based mostly on internet conversations).

Trans Lover: "How big are you?"

Open minded Guy: "You still suck, right?"

I have many other examples but I want to hear from y'all first! :)

[Kiely_Marie]

I agree ...

[JohnnyPaycheck]

From my experience, just like there are different types of girls, and different types of guys,, all with different preferences, since the human individual sexuality is so complex and varies from person to person, you just have to find what type of guy you prefer and weed through the ones that you arent into. I've been given a hard time by not only fellow tgirl admirers, but also tgirls themselves when they hear i am only a top, and not drooling over thier cocks etc, they always tell me im wasting my/thier time and why don't i just stick to genetic girls, etc. Well the thing is, you just have to find the type of guy/girl that likes what your into, your personality and believe me they're out there. Just don't let anyone make you feel bad about your preferences, and your likes and dislikes,,
Msdazzler, this probably didn't even come close to answering your question, hahahahaah.

[JohnnyPaycheck]

,,, i guess the key thing here is to be secure enough with yourself and confident about who you are, and your preferences. If you can be confident about it all, you won't be bothered by other people trying to make you feel bad about yourself when it comes to all of this, and similairly you won't feel the need to make someone else feel bad about themselves if they're into things that you aren't. I guess if more people were like that there would be less fighting over this sort of thing and people would realize they have nothing to worry about or feel offended and threatened about when it comes to sexuality and peoples preferences.

[Quinn]

For me, it’s always been simple. I really enjoy fucking a woman in the ass. While the majority of women I date are of the GG variety, some are of the variety we find on this page. Some GGs love getting fucked in the ass – many do not. When dating TG ladies, it’s never an issue.

-Quinn

[JohnnyPaycheck]

,,, i guess the key thing here is to be secure enough with yourself and confident about who you are, and your preferences. If you can be confident about it all, you won't be bothered by other people trying to make you feel bad about yourself when it comes to all of this, and similairly you won't feel the need to make someone else feel bad about themselves if they're into things that you aren't. I guess if more people were like that there would be less fighting over this sort of thing and people would realize they have nothing to worry about or feel offended and threatened about when it comes to sexuality and peoples preferences.

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[Dead Parrot]

I can't speak for the other men on this forum. My personal history with TG women began when I was about 16. Signs may have been around earlier...but my first facination and lust for a TG woman was indeed post-op Caroline Cossey. No cock.

And so the fascination with TG women is not fixated on the penis. That doesn't mean I only go for post-op. I personally like a woman.... pre, post-op or GG largely by beauty and personality.

As well, I'm currently fascinated with a post-op woman....so I don't know where I fall in. All I know is...I like what I like...I mean...if it works for the particular person in question...who are we to argue

[MsDazzler]

Ummm..... I am not trying to fight over this.. I was merely pointing out the differences in the way trans lovers and open minded guys behave, act, and talk.

[Dead Parrot]

sorry Dazzler. Mis communication again. I mean argue in general terms. Not arguing with you. I just think if two people are attracted to each other...let them go at it. ;)

[MsDazzler]

Deadparrot, I think you are going off the point. The whole point was to get people's opinions and analyses of the differences in trans lovers and open minded guys.

[Dead Parrot]

I understand the 2 groups you're speaking of Dazzler. I'm just exploring outside the main topic...mainly because it's more than just a black and white topic. But I'm sorry....I'll let others discuss the specified subject.

[trannyfalker]

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[MsDazzler]

I'm attracted to girls and Tgirls, but ive never been attracted to guys. I really cant explain specifically why i'm attracted to Tgirls, but all I know is they just turn me on!

that is fine, you dont have to explain why you are attracted to Tgirls. Explaining why you are atttracted to tgirls or defending your sexuality is NOT the point of this thread.

[Harajuku Tgirl]

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[Ucked Fup]

I just enjoy heterosexual and ts porn. I'm fairly certain I'm not interested in guys.

In real life, strickly hetero. I've thought about receiving head from and doing anal on a TS, maybe once about sucking shecock. But that has stayed in my head. About a year ago I was seriously considering it but stopped.

[Ecstatic]

Not to dodge the issue, but I think there's a third category, MsDazzler: let's call it open-minded trans-lovers. Based on your definitions, that would be guys "who seek out or love transsexuals" but don't "have issues with their identities" (are not closeted homosexuals or bisexuals in denial); they are not "open-minded" by your definition (they are not 100% heterosexual, have often played with cocks in the past, and do seek out Tgirls in particular), but they are also not fixated on the girls' cocks and are often comfortable with a range of sexual expression (e.g., being top, bottom, oral, depending on the girl's interests as much as their own). I suspect that such men are often bi, but with a strong preference for women, enjoying sex play with another cock but not attracted to men otherwise.

That is how I see myself. I have been bi since my earliest days of sexual exploration, and often (in the now-distant past) have enjoyed sex with men as well as with women and tgirls, but I have never been attracted to men otherwise (romantically, emotionally), whereas I have always been powerfully attracted to women. Physically, this is why I'm attracted to tgirls: as a bi man with a strong preference for women but open enjoyment of all sexual options, I find the ideal partner to be a tgirl who enjoys her cock (either a top girl who likes to take the active role, or a girl who prefers to bottom but still enjoys oral sex and touching). I'm not particularly attracted to a girl who doesn't want her cock played with in any way because she wants to be a woman in all ways; though I entirely respect such a preference, I wouldn't seek such a partner deliberately (that is, for sexual partnering).

I think there's a big difference between being fixated on a tgirl's cock and wanting to play with it, touch it or get fucked by a tgirl. If I were fixated, that would be the sole and driving impluse, but it's not. When I'm with a girl, I like to build slowly, kissing, foreplay, massage, all for a long time before ever reaching for her cock. When the heat has built, then mutual oral and either of us taking the top role (or switching positions several times, even better) is great.

[Hugh Jarrod]

It seems Ms. Dazzler's point has been misundertood, and has turned into another "Is it gay or straight?" thread. Not by all, but some, and I do agree with DeadParrot that it is more than black and white issue. I can see how many have become confused as her original topic descrition used words and phrases like gay, straight, etc. She's saying there are two types of guys (making it black and white, though she states it's a generalization) that become involved with TSs. The guys who seem to be fascinated by cocks which she has labelled trany chasers, and guys who fall for a gurl thinking she's a girl yet when he finds out he doesn't let that get in the way, who she labels open minded guys.
I've never really been fascinated by a gurl's cock, yet let's face it if you date a pre-op T she's gonna have one! If you want to pleasure her, well then you see where this is going. I think what is a big difference is the closet factor. Chasers are closeted, yet open minded guys aren't.
There was a thread that had a link to a website that outed chasers and even defined 3 or 4 types of chasers. No doubt a site started by a T betrayed repeatedly by closeted men. That can lead to bad things sometimes.
It can be dangerous to make someone closeted face that as well. Look at the case of Amanda Milan, who saw a man she dated on the streets of New York and said hi to him. The thing was he was a gangsta for real do! See he couldn't be havin' no fag punk him like that in front of his boyz. His niggas said "You know that fag bitch!" His answer of course was "Ah hell no nigga, I don't know that fag." "Fuck you fag! I outta bus a cap in yo ass bitch!" and his friend said "Here use my knife." He did and killed her.
Ooops headed a little off topic, anyway I agree with you somewhat Dazzler, that there is a difference. I also agree with you that it's a generalization. It's a lot like you said, it's just that there is more to it.

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[JohnnyPaycheck]

Yea, thanks for clearing things up Hugh

i dont agree..openminded=bisexual

[MsDazzler]

Seems like people have misunderstood my thread as analyzing why people like Tgirls and/or if they are straight or not. It is not. Urgh.

But on a sidebar, how come I have NOT heard from ANY GIRL, just MEN? I would like to hear yours, honeys.

[Guest]

Everyone these days seems to have to put a label on everything and everyone. Let's group this group of people together, this group together and so on. Whatever happened to you meet someone, and instead of being a selfish s.o.b. you take pleasure in making that other person happy? Whether it be in bed or otherwise. If it is in bed, then if the Tgirl or GG likes/doesn't like something then it is about caring about how the other person feels as well. If you just want to get your rocks of with a Tgirl or GG, then I say just pay for it. Get on Eros and have fun. Otherwise, maybe stop and take a moment to think of someone else for a change. Old fashioned thinking I guess.

[Arianna]

I think that visual and physical stimulation are sometimes different things. If a guy has a thing for being anally penetrated (a bottom), that dosen't mean that they are neccessarily wanting it from another guy. He might only like the experience from what he considers to be a "female"; it could be a pre-op ts girl, or a gg wearing a strap-on. For someone who has male plumbing, getting good oral could mean just that. Put a blindfold on and it's all about the skill, not the gender. I hear guys inexperienced with TS girls refer to it as a "fantasy" they have. I guess that's because they are homophobic and still think of it as being "gay". But "gay" erotica is usually more along the lines of jock studs and leather boys. Again, these are all generalizations, and there are as many variations as there are human beings.

the best way to find out is ask someone who is from another world unlike ours :wink: this will solve the issue of labeling,or ask youre mother shell tell you the truth

[Arianna]

the best way to find out is ask someone who is from another world unlike ours :wink: this will solve the issue of labeling,or ask youre mother shell tell you the truth

Put down the pipe. Hugs, not drugs. ;)

[Hugh Jarrod]

i dont agree..openminded=bisexual

How? I consider myself open minded yet not sexually turned on by men, by your definition for anyone to consider themselves open minded one would have to enjoy sex with those of the same gender?

[Scott]

Well MsDazzler I will mostly agree with the observation but like it has been said by a few others, subjects like this are never just black and white.
I pretty much fit into the open minded catagory but I've never really had the "at least you have a hole" thought. To me a TG woman is just as much a woman as a geneticly born one because I don't really care what's between the legs.
It's gonna be impossible to get proper straight opinion about the thread topic because nobody wants to be generalized and the guys are probably going to go further than the topic to make that point in so many words. Probably why the majority of posters are the guys. I'm not bitching or complaining. I'm just stating my opinion.

so if you dont agree with the term openminded=bisexual,why is that the majority or most of the guys lets say98% into tgirls hide the fact that they like tgirls to their loveones and family? answer this one hugh.. seems like were hiding something from them :?

[JohnnyPaycheck]

so if you dont agree with the term openminded=bisexual,why is that the majority or most of the guys lets say98% into tgirls hide the fact that they like tgirls to their loveones and family? answer this one hugh.. seems like were hiding something from them :?

I think not everyone is "open minded", even fellow tgirl admirers with each other as i stated in my post before. but i think we're now talking about two different "open minded" definitions, one on a social level with friends, family, etc you know, the categorized one like straight, bi, gay, what percentage am i etc, and Ms Dazzler's original question of "open minded" on a more personal and private level between the guy and girl.

sorry Ms Dazzler, i think your whole post just went south on you, and it's probably my fault since i was the first to respond and miss your whole point completely.

[Hugh Jarrod]

so if you dont agree with the term openminded=bisexual,why is that the majority or most of the guys lets say98% into tgirls hide the fact that they like tgirls to their loveones and family? answer this one hugh.. seems like were hiding something from them :?

Hiding something maybe, still think bisexual means one who is attracted to memebrs of their own gender as well as those of other genders. Most guys here do not like men.

[Arianna]

Hiding something maybe, still think bisexual means one who is attracted to memebrs of their own gender as well as those of other genders. Most guys here do not like men.

I like the way my friend said it best: "You girls are the 3rd gender; the best of both worlds. They just haven't come up with a word for the sexuality of the people who love you yet." I think that sums it up pretty well.

[MsDazzler]

[quote=Anonymous] sorry Ms Dazzler, i think your whole post just went south on you, and it's probably my fault since i was the first to respond and miss your whole point completely.

you are right, the thread went totally off-point and deteriorated into a straight, gay, and bisexual identity debate. Ah well, I should close this thread and try to open another new thread with my point restated in such a way that no one will misunderstand it again.

[MsDazzler]

sorry Ms Dazzler, i think your whole post just went south on you, and it's probably my fault since i was the first to respond and miss your whole point completely.

you are right, the thread went totally off-point and deteriorated into a straight, gay, and bisexual identity debate. Ah well, I should close this thread and try to open another new thread with my point restated in such a way that no one will misunderstand it again.

Hiding something maybe, still think bisexual means one who is attracted to memebrs of their own gender as well as those of other genders. Most guys here do not like men.

to hugh...
thats true hugh..but you all have the tendencie to do so..and im sure most bi guys do lie about it,most bi men are attracted to femeboys but they try to deny it since,that would make them partly gay.
Its hard to tell if guys tell the truth about their sexuality,since they have this male ego that still imprinted into theire personality.."i'm not gay",and im sure before you even realised that tg existed,but had already fantasised sucking a cock..cock dont grow on trees,we know that female has a vagina and men has cock,even before i became a tg i didnt even know we existed,all i knew was i should've been a girl, we were born,to think that,you're either a male or a female,and dont deny the fact that you like tg not because of theire cock,if you didnt like what was in between our legs,im sure you wouldnt bother messing with transgenders,since genetic females out number transexuals...

arianna...
"They just haven't come up with a word for the sexuality of the people who love you yet"

ANDROGENOMORPHOPHILE

bisexual means one who is attracted to memebrs of their own gender as well as those of other genders...

hugh theres only 3 genders thats male, female and tgpeople(intersexed,pre op ts,,m2f,f2m,transexuals) is 3rd
since you like tg then that means ur bi then,you clearly explained it your're self.. can we plz be real.. we girls have accepted our selves being this way and you guys still hiding in youre shells,but i guess anyone has a freedom to think what sexuality they are,so if you think youre str8 then so be it.

[Arianna]

arianna... ANDROGENOMORPHOPHILE

Sounds good and I could live with it, but it dosen't show up on a Google search. Neither does "ANDROGYNOMORPHOPHILE" with a "Y" in the middle.

[Hugh Jarrod]

Hiding something maybe, still think bisexual means one who is attracted to memebrs of their own gender as well as those of other genders. Most guys here do not like men.

to hugh...
thats true hugh..but you all have the tendencie to do so..and im sure most bi guys do lie about it,most bi men are attracted to femeboys but they try to deny it since,that would make them partly gay.
Its hard to tell if guys tell the truth about their sexuality,since they have this male ego that still imprinted into theire personality.."i'm not gay",and im sure before you even realised that tg existed,but had already fantasised sucking a cock..cock dont grow on trees,we know that female has a vagina and men has cock,even before i became a tg i didnt even know we existed,all i knew was i should've been a girl, we were born,to think that,you're either a male or a female,and dont deny the fact that you like tg not because of theire cock,if you didnt like what was in between our legs,im sure you wouldnt bother messing with transgenders,since genetic females out number transexuals...

Maybe for some men they did fantasize about a cock, I've heard people say it's because the cocks in porn make men that way amongst a thousand other theories. Though not me, as when I did watch porn it was lesbian porn. Read your post and I hope you're not calling me a liar? Nothing personal, and I don't judge others it's just that men have never done anything for me. So to label somone bi in this lifestyle would be wrong, though I'm sure that's not what this thread was suppose to be about. That topic has already been addressed here, and is repeatedly addressed on every trans forum twice daily it's a dead horese to beat.

[Dolce]

I just wanted to say that I read your post and I agree. I would think open minded guys would be more appealing to your average T-girl . . but I'm sure there are always exceptions.

[MsDazzler]

I just wanted to say that I read your post and I agree. I would think open minded guys would be more appealing to your average T-girl . . but I'm sure there are always exceptions.

thanks for your input and staying on the subject. I did state a disclaimer saying that there would be exceptions.

Observing how the guys have reacted and from their consistent replies to this thread which did not even ask whether he was gay, straight, or bi.....

They definitely are defiant to being labeled bisexual. Interesting.

[Arianna]

Damn, but this topic has brought up some interesting points, even if we can't get our definitions straight. The one thing that no one's brought up yet though is pre-op vs. post-op. Men do have somewhat of a reputation for losing interest in us when we go post-op. Personally, going post-op or having my testicals removed is nothing I'm interested in. I know that my "clitty" works just fine and has brought me much pleasure. So, to me, that's not a risk worth taking. Testosterone blockers sometimes cause sexual dysfunction, but I haven't had that problem. If I did, I'd stop taking them. But in Europe, they take stuff like Androcur, which causes that alot more often. I'm on Spironolact, and so far so good. So what do you say, fellas? Would you be as interested in us without our genetalia? I think that's the real test.

[Dolce]

I suppose despite how many men are attracted to T-girls, they are still living in a world of denial in terms of their own sexuality. They are afraid of labels mostly derived from social pressures and sometimes self loathing, which is just unfortunate, and sometimes sad.

[Arianna]

I suppose despite how many men are attracted to T-girls, they are still living in a world of denial in terms of their own sexuality. They are afraid of labels mostly derived from social pressures and sometimes self loathing, which is just unfortunate, and sometimes sad.
How about men in prison who deny that are gay, yet repeatedly engage in homosexual activity? As if in prison, it dosen't count?! WTF!?!

But it can be the other way around too. When I did performance drag, there was a very beautiful, young queen who had to make a federal case that he was "gay". Yet, more and more, he started spending his free time living as a woman; but no surgeries or hormones. When I told him that I always knew I was TS, but hadn't done anything permanent about it yet, he said, "Not me! I love being a boy! I'm a gay man, and that's it!" Yet down the road many queens do permanent things. They may start with lasering their beard, or start taking hormones, get implants, etc. Within a few years they are pre-op, and it's obvious that all their gay pride was a front. But they have a need to feel like they are part of the gay community so badly. I haven't talked to him in a while, but for all I know he's pre-op by now.

I was 16 was when I first started seeing what it felt like to dress as a girl in public. I did it in the West Village in Manhatten, where I thought it would be "safe". But I took pretty harsh critisism from gay men who told me that I was an "embarassment to the gay community", and that I was "just a gay boy in a dress". But my attitude was like, "Fuck you, faggot. I'm a girl." The thing is, they really don't want ANY type of women in their world; GG's or TS's. It cramps their style. Feminine men and TS's are really at the bottom of their little hierarchy, whether they will always admit it or not. So, yeah. "Remember Stonewall", my ass. Because in the "GLBT" world, gay men come first; then the dykes; bi supposedly means that you're "just confused"; and T's are always last.

so if you dont agree with the term openminded=bisexual,why is that the majority or most of the guys lets say98% into tgirls hide the fact that they like tgirls to their loveones and family? answer this one hugh.. seems like were hiding something from them :?

Hiding something maybe, still think bisexual means one who is attracted to memebrs of their own gender as well as those of other genders. Most guys here do not like men.

thats what i thought bisexual meant, one who is attracted to memebrs of their own gender as well as those of other genders. If thats not the case and were considered gay or Bi for liking Tgirls, then they shouldn't be called Tgirls, they should be called Tboys

[trannyfalker]

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[MsDazzler]

so if you dont agree with the term openminded=bisexual,why is that the majority or most of the guys lets say98% into tgirls hide the fact that they like tgirls to their loveones and family? answer this one hugh.. seems like were hiding something from them :?

Hiding something maybe, still think bisexual means one who is attracted to memebrs of their own gender as well as those of other genders. Most guys here do not like men.

thats what i thought bisexual meant, one who is attracted to memebrs of their own gender as well as those of other genders. If thats not the case and were considered gay or Bi for liking Tgirls, then they shouldn't be called Tgirls, they should be called Tboys

Whoa, excuse me, now are you trying to be offensive? "TBoys"? Isnt that already reserved for FTMs?

trannyfalker were are mtf the 3rd gender best of both worlds plzz understand that..i act and look and think like a girl but i never said i was 100% girl..... (3RD GENDER) so guys who are attracted to us are bisexuals no matter what

unless he never knew what was in between my legs of course hes still 100%str8

so if you dont agree with the term openminded=bisexual,why is that the majority or most of the guys lets say98% into tgirls hide the fact that they like tgirls to their loveones and family? answer this one hugh.. seems like were hiding something from them :?

Hiding something maybe, still think bisexual means one who is attracted to memebrs of their own gender as well as those of other genders. Most guys here do not like men.

thats what i thought bisexual meant, one who is attracted to memebrs of their own gender as well as those of other genders. If thats not the case and were considered gay or Bi for liking Tgirls, then they shouldn't be called Tgirls, they should be called Tboys

Whoa, excuse me, now are you trying to be offensive? "TBoys"? Isnt that already reserved for FTMs?

offensive? naw i luv tgirls, but whoever the guest is thats postin their opinions is gettin things twisted, i dont even know why i answered them, they not even registered

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[Hugh Jarrod]

I suppose despite how many men are attracted to T-girls, they are still living in a world of denial in terms of their own sexuality. They are afraid of labels mostly derived from social pressures and sometimes self loathing, which is just unfortunate, and sometimes sad.

Interesting, actually I've said from the get go guys who like Tgirls need their own label. Never was in denial and never claimed to be 100% straight. Have also said Bi doesn't work as a label and that this thread wasn't about the is it gay or straight thing.

[Hugh Jarrod]

so if you dont agree with the term openminded=bisexual,why is that the majority or most of the guys lets say98% into tgirls hide the fact that they like tgirls to their loveones and family? answer this one hugh.. seems like were hiding something from them :?

Hiding something maybe, still think bisexual means one who is attracted to memebrs of their own gender as well as those of other genders. Most guys here do not like men.

thats what i thought bisexual meant, one who is attracted to memebrs of their own gender as well as those of other genders. If thats not the case and were considered gay or Bi for liking Tgirls, then they shouldn't be called Tgirls, they should be called Tboys


Let's see here BI stands for two, and was coined in an age when people denied the existance of more than two. When it was coined it was meant as a man or woman attracted to their own gender and the other gender, regardless of how you see it that is how it is defined now. It's a phrase that has never included the transgender community. As well I keep stating that this thread isn't about straight or gay (PS see post above it needs a label all it's own) and I've tried to keep it on topic to no avail. Sorry Dazzler I keep trying. Good point Falker.

[Hugh Jarrod]

I suppose despite how many men are attracted to T-girls, they are still living in a world of denial in terms of their own sexuality. They are afraid of labels mostly derived from social pressures and sometimes self loathing, which is just unfortunate, and sometimes sad.
How about men in prison who deny that are gay, yet repeatedly engage in homosexual activity? As if in prison, it dosen't count?! WTF!?!

But it can be the other way around too. When I did performance drag, there was a very beautiful, young queen who had to make a federal case that he was "gay". Yet, more and more, he started spending his free time living as a woman; but no surgeries or hormones. When I told him that I always knew I was TS, but hadn't done anything permanent about it yet, he said, "Not me! I love being a boy! I'm a gay man, and that's it!" Yet down the road many queens do permanent things. They may start with lasering their beard, or start taking hormones, get implants, etc. Within a few years they are pre-op, and it's obvious that all their gay pride was a front. But they have a need to feel like they are part of the gay community so badly. I haven't talked to him in a while, but for all I know he's pre-op by now.

I was 16 was when I first started seeing what it felt like to dress as a girl in public. I did it in the West Village in Manhatten, where I thought it would be "safe". But I took pretty harsh critisism from gay men who told me that I was an "embarassment to the gay community", and that I was "just a gay boy in a dress". But my attitude was like, "Fuck you, faggot. I'm a girl." The thing is, they really don't want ANY type of women in their world; GG's or TS's. It cramps their style. Feminine men and TS's are really at the bottom of their little hierarchy, whether they will always admit it or not. So, yeah. "Remember Stonewall", my ass. Because in the "GLBT" world, gay men come first; then the dykes; bi supposedly means that you're "just confused"; and T's are always last.

Actually the rules in prison are even more complex and fucked up than that. If you get raped, or have a homosexual act forced upon you then you're a fag or bitch. Yet if you're the one raping or voluntarily engaging in a homosexual act then you're OK.

Also many drag queens I know are actually straight married men, who just like to dress like women. Go figure and to each their own. Interesting point on hierarchy.

[Arianna]

Have also said Bi doesn't work as a label and that this thread wasn't about the is it gay or straight thing.

Ask people who consider themselves to be bi-sexual what it means, and I'll bet that 99% of them were not including us in what they were thinking of.

I think what's becoming more obvious as this thread continues is that these men who are attracted to us are really attracted to femininity. Let's be honest; who looks better? Us or the typical housewife? Just because they were born with pussys, many of them are still just plain sloppy bitches. So if we can overcome the plumbing we were born with to be who we are inside, and we get you guys horny, obviously the GG's don't have a monopoly on being beautiful women. Once you get into our panties, it's up to you what you wanna do. But what got you there in the first place wasn't that you saw a handsome man. Again, some guys love GG's to wear strap-ons, but would never get horny for the typical guy.

[Arianna]

Also many drag queens I know are actually straight married men, who just like to dress like women.

I'd say that's more of a rarity. Most if them are gay men, and will dis you for even being bi. Older queens are usually more sure that they are happy being gay men, but they'll still talk shit like, "She has tits now. I don't think I like her anymore." The younger ones are often still experimenting, and sometimes it leads to them becoming pre-op.

[MsDazzler]

By the way, I find it interesting how trans lovers use the labels "top", "bottom", and "vers".... whereas open minded str8 guys usually say "I m on the top" or "I dont take it up the ass." lol

[trannyfalker]

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[seoulman01]

Hi, new poster here...very interesting discussion regardless of whether it got off topic. I guess since I am new, this discussion was all new to me, which made it so interesting. Everyone had good points though and most were well thought out. As far a difference in lovemaking of the different 'types' of men, the original post did make some sense. Although from my perspective, without a lot of experience, it was hard to figure out if that difference really existed. I believe in one post, someone asked for input of the girls...based off their experiences, we should be able to get a clearer idea...shouldn't we? What have your experiences been? Of course, this would mean you would have to know what the guys thought of themselves (which category they fell into)...Very complicated issue...but thanks for all the posts and I look forward to reading more and posting.

For clarification: I consider myself open-minded, love to look at and chat with Transgendered ladies, pre or post op, but have not had any sexual encounters with one (although I really want to, but I have not had the chance). I have had three encounters with men in which two of the times was really not much fun for me and the third time being pleasant. After all three encounters though, I didn't get the feeling that this is something I will pursue...I have a much deeper desire to meet and interact with TGs and I still love biological women...so I guess I am somewhat screwed up!!!
I just wanted to explain my thnking for insight into what I posted.
Thanks

[Ucked Fup]

By the way, I find it interesting how trans lovers use the labels "top", "bottom", and "vers".... whereas open minded str8 guys usually say "I m on the top" or "I dont take it up the ass." lol

Now I'm confused. I'm about 99.98 % sure I'm never going to take cock up the ass (shecock or man sausage), but I'll still use terms like "top" and "bottom" (or I've seen "switch") before if it's in context of a conversation.

[ready469]

i am a male interested in just ts.i ma straight and don't like man but i would luv to hook up with a ts and do are thing.

[Ecstatic]

MsDazzler, the problem for me is in your original split of men into two groups:

Trans lovers who seek out or love transsexuals specifically tend to be fixated on their cocks.
..............................
Open-minded guys tend to be 100% heterosexual. They may have never done anything with cocks in the past. They also don't usually specifically seek out Tgirls, just women in general.
As I tried to indicate in my post several days back, I think there's a third group, which I called "open-minded trans lovers" or men who do seek out Tgirls but are not fixated on their cocks and are likely not 100% hetero. I suggested that these men are possibly bi (though they may not realize it), though I like the idea of bisexual referring to an attraction to any two of the three genders (all three would make you trisexual).

Now a member of this group would respond the same as a member of the open-minded group if he meets a woman, is attracted to her, starts to see her or date her, and only then finds out she's a TS. Being an open-minded trans lover, of course he'll have no problem with this, but the attraction was not based on her cock, but on her as a person.

However, like a translover, a person in this group would also actively seek out the companionship of a Tgirl because he loves being with a Tgirl. However, such a person isn't fixated on her cock: he enjoys it, and in part (if he actually sought her company rather than stumbling into it unknowingly) actively desired her cock.

[eclectic_co]

I respond differntly with different girls. I basically think that in most relationships the commitment that one feels to that relationship is key to understanding the feeling one has for themselfs and for their mate. for me, I feel that if a guy is dating a ts woman strickly for what she can do for/to him, either emotionally or physically, then he is a "trans lover" but if he is dating a ts woman and hoping to please her as much as she pleases him then a healthy relationship can flourish from just about any begining and any sexual practice.

[MsDazzler]

MsDazzler, the problem for me is in your original split of men into two groups:

Trans lovers who seek out or love transsexuals specifically tend to be fixated on their cocks.
..............................
Open-minded guys tend to be 100% heterosexual. They may have never done anything with cocks in the past. They also don't usually specifically seek out Tgirls, just women in general.
As I tried to indicate in my post several days back, I think there's a third group, which I called "open-minded trans lovers" or men who do seek out Tgirls but are not fixated on their cocks and are likely not 100% hetero. I suggested that these men are possibly bi (though they may not realize it), though I like the idea of bisexual referring to an attraction to any two of the three genders (all three would make you trisexual).

Now a member of this group would respond the same as a member of the open-minded group if he meets a woman, is attracted to her, starts to see her or date her, and only then finds out she's a TS. Being an open-minded trans lover, of course he'll have no problem with this, but the attraction was not based on her cock, but on her as a person.

However, like a translover, a person in this group would also actively seek out the companionship of a Tgirl because he loves being with a Tgirl. However, such a person isn't fixated on her cock: he enjoys it, and in part (if he actually sought her company rather than stumbling into it unknowingly) actively desired her cock.


Okay, if you are going along that line, then I say that open minded trans lovers still subconsciously know that the tgril has a cock and that is part of the turn on for them. And lets face it... most trans lovers prefer pre op Tgirls than post op Tgirls... Why? cuz they have cocks, post ops dont. and for the record, post ops tend to end up with open minded straight guys more frequently than trans lovers.

[wmlover4u]

I would consider myself an open-minded guy. I am not fixated on the fact that any TGirl has her male parts. When I look at women on the Internet, I find a significant number of genetic girls who well, have the parts of a woman, but unfortunately as shallow as it sounds, I don't find them attractive. For each beautiful woman I find, there are a dozen that I am not attracted to.

In the case of TGirls, they have worked hard to show the beauty of a woman and they maintain it. Now I that is say that I am not attracted to all TGirls, just as in the case with Genetic Girls, there are some that while still working on finalizing the transition, they simply do not appeal to me. There are a number of ladies that I am highly attracted to. I tend to be a very romantic and interactive person. So, in the case of the male parts, well I am accomodating. If the lady I am with wants me to pay attention to her, I will. If she would rather I not, I won't.

Same with genetic girls. There are some that don't like to have thier pussy eaten. So, if they don't, I won't.

It is all about a mutually rewarding encounter, not about who does what to whom, but that two people who really enjoy each other's company choose to have an intimate encounter with one another.

[Ecstatic]

Okay, if you are going along that line, then I say that open minded trans lovers still subconsciously know that the tgril has a cock and that is part of the turn on for them. And lets face it... most trans lovers prefer pre op Tgirls than post op Tgirls... Why? cuz they have cocks, post ops dont. and for the record, post ops tend to end up with open minded straight guys more frequently than trans lovers.
That's what I said: a tgirl's cock is part of the turn on for "open-minded trans lovers" (there's gotta be a better name than that, tho). But it's only a part, not the whole, of the attraction. I'm also very much attracted to gg's. There was a time I was attracted to men for the sex (but not in any romantic way), but tgirls are a hella lot more attractive than guys. Like wmlover4u says:
So, in the case of the male parts, well I am accomodating. If the lady I am with wants me to pay attention to her, I will. If she would rather I not, I won't.

with genetic girls. There are some that don't like to have thier pussy eaten. So, if they don't, I won't.

It is all about a mutually rewarding encounter, not about who does what to whom, but that two people who really enjoy each other's company choose to have an intimate encounter with one another.
I feel the same. "A mutually rewarding encounter" is a great way to put it.

If you prefer to lump me in with the trans lovers, that's fine--it's only a label. But my point is that not all of us are fixated on the cock, although we may immensely enjoy it.

[MsDazzler]

Ecstatic, didnt you mention in a post somewhere previously that you prefer to be with a Tgirl who likes her cock to be played with? also, you havent replied affirmiatively whether you would go for post ops or not.

its basically like a pretty girl has a cock, its no big deal, she still looks like a pretty feminen girl, she doesnt look like or seem like a dude! bottom line

[MsDazzler]

Ecstatic, I m waiting for your reply.

[Ecstatic]

Ecstatic, didnt you mention in a post somewhere previously that you prefer to be with a Tgirl who likes her cock to be played with? also, you havent replied affirmiatively whether you would go for post ops or not.
Oops, sorry MsDazzler, I didn't see your post till now. Yes, I prefer to be with a Tgirl who likes to have her cock played with; in fact, my preference is for a versatile girl who likes to mix it up (mutual oral, her topping, me topping). However, that's a preference, not a condition. For example, my favorite companion strongly prefers to top, and that's fine with me (as it would be if she preferred to bottom). I definitely enjoy a range of different ways of being together sexually. (For that matter, there are girls whose company I quite enjoy without any sex or physical encounter at all, but we are talking sex here.)

Would I "go for post ops"? Interesting question. I've thought about it; there are a couple of post op escorts I've thought of seeing, but the attraction isn't nearly as strong for me, so I haven't done so. If I met a girl, and we hit it off, and she turned out to be post op, that would be just fine by me. Thing is, being married and older and living 40 miles outside a major city, odds are I won't casually meet someone that way, so meeting girls as escorts is the way for me (and no, I don't see that many girls; in the past four years I've seen 10 girls, but have "gone all the way" with only 4--I don't know if you think that's a lot or not).

Put it this way: there are two girls who mean the world to me as friends and lovers; let's assume one of them went for her SRS. I would still feel the same about her because it's her that I love, not her cock. I would still want to make love with her because she is a beautiful person who I love being with.

post ops are digusting! just the thought hurts me

everytime you look at that area you think of your own dick being cut off, and that my friend is not sexy, how can you maintain an erection with that thought ramping your brain, i know i cant....oh the horror

[Ecstatic]

Guest, your reaction is what I find disgusting. So you like a girl to alter her body surgically/hormonally to get boobs, lose facial and body hair, stay trim and sexy, have facial feminization surgery, etc., but as soon as she takes the ultimate step of srs it's nasty? That's absurd. It's just her realizing the woman she is inside to the max degree medical science allows. I deeply believe that everyone should unfold their nature in the way that is fully right for them, and that certainly includes tgirls electing srs. I may be attracted to a tgirl with a cock who enjoys using it, but as I replied to MsDazzler, if a girl I loved went for her srs, I would still love her and love being with her.

[Scott]

post ops are digusting! just the thought hurts me

A post op may not be your preference for a woman to be with but to call them disgusting? That is just rude and uncalled for. You are one sad individual.


Scott

[MsDazzler]

post ops are digusting! just the thought hurts me

Why is it that anonymous guests tend to make the most offensive and distasteful remarks? I know the answer but still I just wanted to say it out loud.

[Hugh Jarrod]

post ops are digusting! just the thought hurts me

Why is it that anonymous guests tend to make the most offensive and distasteful remarks? I know the answer but still I just wanted to say it out loud.

Because with a handle at least they'd be held to their words, with this they are just another nameless, faceless individual hiding behind the anonimity of the world wide web.

[marcello]

Ask people who consider themselves to be bi-sexual what it means, and I'll bet that 99% of them were not including us in what they were thinking of.

I think what's becoming more obvious as this thread continues is that these men who are attracted to us are really attracted to femininity. Let's be honest; who looks better? Us or the typical housewife? Just because they were born with pussys, many of them are still just plain sloppy bitches. So if we can overcome the plumbing we were born with to be who we are inside, and we get you guys horny, obviously the GG's don't have a monopoly on being beautiful women. Once you get into our panties, it's up to you what you wanna do. But what got you there in the first place wasn't that you saw a handsome man. Again, some guys love GG's to wear strap-ons, but would never get horny for the typical guy.

Sorry, for reviving an old thread....I just thought this was interesting.

Adrianna makes a good point!

To answer MsDazzlers second question in this thread....."would it matter if a girl had the surgery?"

After thinking about it, No!

The resaon is because, although there is genitalia on a pre-op, and to me that is not an issue..........the initial attraction is not from that, but from the feminine beauty that she poseses, and the sexual energy that she exudes.

Secondly, if there is a true connection....then nothing should matter.....love is blind, the heart doesn't care about the other details...just the feeling that the two people in the relationship get from being with each other.......thats all that matters!

I have learned alot about myself here in the last past week.

Thank you everyone!

M. :-D

[robin]

The original question posed is filled with misconception and adherance to reasurance it's hard to offer a competent elucidation in return.
Any man that becomes in love with any woman will sooner or later begin to find they're partners genetalia a major turn-on (whether it was the first elecit and concious reason for them being together or not). It's inevitable. So I fail to see the difference between tranny-chaser and open-minded male, as the tranny-chaser was once an open-minded male as will the current open-minded male become a tranny-chaser (or resort to not being with t-girls at all).

And to the poster that said "Let's be honest; who looks better? Us or the typical housewife? Just because they were born with pussys, many of them are still just plain sloppy bitches." This comment is a falacy based on poor equivocal data. Your emanation is a malpractise of reasoning based on a handful of heavily made up models to natrually bred females at home. You voided this arguement with this clause.

[marcello]

Ask people who consider themselves to be bi-sexual what it means, and I'll bet that 99% of them were not including us in what they were thinking of.

I think what's becoming more obvious as this thread continues is that these men who are attracted to us are really attracted to femininity.
Again, some guys love GG's to wear strap-ons, but would never get horny for the typical guy.



I am mostly agreeing with that part of the statement.

Yes, the "typical" woman is held upto unrealistic standards in todays society, but alot of woman(g/g) honestly are just to lazy, or don't want to take the time out to look the best that they can(and that is Ok because they should not be forced to).Also, alot of woman today are just not "girly"!!! Now with a transgendered woman that is not an issue; their whole being is based on becoming as feminine as possible, and that is the attraction!!

I understood adrianni's point and read past her remark....she could of wrote it better!

M.

[marcello]

Trans lovers who seek out or love transsexuals specifically tend to be fixated on their cocks. They may want to play with or touch it, or get fucked by them. Consequently they tend to have issues with their identities (they r closeted homosexuals or bisexuals but don't want to admit to be such )They don't usually mesh well with Tgirls who don't want their cocks being played with because they want to be women in all ways.

Dont agree with you here, because a gay man is turned on by masculinity and would not be turned on by a beautiful woman regardless if she had male genetalia or not.

Bisexual, yes and no! Maybe to some men being with a tgirl is an easy transition into bisexuality since it is a woman with a penis......(to me..no masculinity does not turn me on at all).



Open-minded guys tend to be 100% heterosexual. They may have never done anything with cocks in the past. They also don't usually specifically seek out Tgirls, just women in general. Upon finding out she has a cock, this type of guy usually is very open minded and say "Well you have an ass and mouth". He usually tops only and does not really like sucking. He will eat her out just like a woman.


Yes, I agree with you, but isn't the term open-minded, in its essence, supposed to mean...open to any possibility. So, being an open minded guy, if I was curious about your male parts, and was willing to experiment....that is the epitomy of open-mindedness.

Now, it is a persons choice as to what they are willing and comfortable to do, so if a girl wanted to, and was turned on by the idea of using what they have, or straping on one......that means she is open minded, and if in a sexual encounter or telationship with an open minded male.....what is wrong with that!

And

there are subtle differences in the way trans lovers and open minded guys treat their Tgirls as well. An example can be seen in the way they approach or talk to you (this is based mostly on internet conversations).

Trans Lover: "How big are you?"

Open minded Guy: "You still suck, right?".

I would NEVER say either of those two things, THEY ARE BOTH DEGRADING!!!!!

Hope my answer was to your liking!!

Ciao,
M. :-D

[BeardedOne]

Trans Lover: "How big are you?"

Open minded Guy: "You still suck, right?"

:lol:

I'm only just catching this thread, so forgive me if I miss anything as I am still reading some of the posts.

List me as an Open-Minded Trans Lover. :D

I'm bi (Yah, I suck dick, but you gotta buy me dinner first!) and have no quibbles about it, and can be rather dick-centric, but while I might say "It's all about the dick", I'm not THAT shallow.

Well, OK, since my last relationship with a 3G (Gay GG), maybe I am all about the dick, but I tell good jokes. :)

[robin]

Yes, the "typical" woman is held upto unrealistic standards in todays society, but alot of woman(g/g) honestly are just to lazy, or don't want to take the time out to look the best that they can

I find this statement to be misinterpreted. Women aren't lazy to look good. They simply don't want to bother trying to fit into a category of unrealistic proportions that has been potrayed by the misguided media as being the epitome of what a good looking woman should look like. Besides, the original poster has already stated that a man should not just be attracted to a t-girl simply for their cock... why then should a man simply be interested in a woman for her beauty? And what is the comparison necessary for? What does it achieve? If any- it is flawed.

There is so much contraction in this here thread it is almost disheartening. Views of beauty are of a matter of personal perspective. Comparissons are being drawn from models who've had make-up applied on them, with the common housewife (who hasn't). Consider lighting, photo-editing to compliment models and you find your case deeply misguided.
The case isn't about who is prettier, but about who achieves what is intended. The rest is irrelevant.

[robin]

Hope my answer was to your liking!!

Curious... was your answer an attempt to please the poster of the statement you quoted? Or to offer your true opinion. I have noticed a lot of appology from users to posters for offering their opinions. Is this a common trait here?

[robin]

By the way, I find it interesting how trans lovers use the labels "top", "bottom", and "vers".... whereas open minded str8 guys usually say "I m on the top" or "I dont take it up the ass." lol

I don't think this has anything to do with being a tranny-chaser or being "open-minded-male; I think it has to do with not knowing the lingo. I've never used any of those words EVER in my life, simply because I find them to be more associated with someone who'd be more versatile in their sexuality.

[marcello]

Hope my answer was to your liking!!

Curious... was your answer an attempt to please the poster of the statement you quoted? Or to offer your true opinion. I have noticed a lot of appology from users to posters for offering their opinions. Is this a common trait here?


No, an honest answer, but curious if it was to her liking!

A better way to have said it would have been....what do you think of my answer!

[philippe]

hey i am a tanny lover .

why ?

simple ,i like to be fuck ( or to fuck the other) , but at the same time , i am just not excited whit the man look .


a feminin look what turn me on , and if they have liitle extra between the leg like most Tgirl have . it make me happy . get better if they have nice boobs , because i like to touch them more then touching another dick .


i do not enjoy to suck another dick , and it not my favorite thing to be sucked also .

ps a tgirl that look like mimi in the Drew cary show does not turn me on also .

[MsDazzler]

Hmm.. I have forgotten all about this topic. That was months ago, and I have evolved a lot in my thinking.

[2Real4U]

Interesting topic...and actually is the reason why I joined this BB...to specifically answer you as best that I can. I have addressed each point that you made and provided my answer after it. You're points are obviously in quotes. My points are in italics.

This topic prompted intense discussion in a chat room one day so I thought I would post it here and see what kind of replies I get from other forum users.

DISCLAIMER: I KNOW THIS IS A GENERALIZATION AND THERE ARE ALWAYS EXCEPTIONS TO THE NORM. SO KEEP THIS IN MIND, OK? smile

Here is my observation:

"Trans lovers who seek out or love transsexuals specifically tend to be fixated on their cocks. They may want to play with or touch it, or get fucked by them.

Consequently they tend to have issues with their identities (they r closeted homosexuals or bisexuals but don't want to admit to be such )"

It has been my observation that TG's come in a very wide variety of sexual persuasions. Some abhor the fact that they have male "parts", some tolerate this aspect of their physical make-up while others would not think of having SRS and still enjoy having their male parts. Many but all in this last category seem OK with the term "shemale". They have gone to great lengths to appear as a GG's...having hip / buttox / and breast implants....yet they prefer to retain their male functionality.

They don't usually mesh well with Tgirls who don't want their cocks being played with because they want to be women in all ways.

Correction: They do not sexually mesh with some Tgirls...."

Open-minded guys tend to be 100% heterosexual. They may have never done anything with cocks in the past. They also don't usually specifically seek out Tgirls, just women in general.

I can not comment too much on the above because I consider myself extremely open minded. I respect what ever choice a TG makes in regards to her body. I admit I may not be sexually compatible with ALL Tg's.

Does that make me not "openminded?"

Would / Could I say the same about you? :)

You have sexual preferences as well as everyone else.

Upon finding out she has a cock, this type of guy usually is very open minded and say "Well you have an ass and mouth". He usually tops only and does not really like sucking. He will eat her out just like a woman.

Or...... one could say....."Upon finding out she has a cock, this type of guy usually is very open minded and say" well, I really care about you... your cock is as hard as a rock....you seem to be the type of TG who likes to have her cock played with... I'm game....and will happily satisfy you sexually.

See? That Axe swings both ways....depending on what the preferences of the TG is!

Now, do you agree with my observations? (I base this on countless convesrations with men online, and real-life experiences)

I respectfully disagree with your observations. You do not take into account the many TG's who go the nine yards to appear as GG's yet still wish to retain their male functionality and would like their partners to pleasure them.

Few girls from the chatroom and I agreed that we prefer the open-minded guy type because then we know they didn't seek us out for our dicks specifically like Trans Lovers. Plus we don't have to endure them wanting to play with our cocks in bed as well.

That is fantastic. I respect your opinion. Please do not think less of men who do enjoy their TG partners to have full sexual functionality and also enjoy their partners to "use it".

I think these men are far more openminded than you are giving us credit for. You think we are closet homo's or something like that. Perhaps we appreciate the ultra femininity that some TG's portray, yet we are either OK with, or desire them to have full male functionality. Personally... I am not in the least bit attracted to the male physique. Gawd knows the sight of my hairy ass in a mirror makes me want to put it in reverse. My observations are such that a lot of TG's seem less tolerant of their sisters who choose to retain full functionality...as well as the men who prefer those types of TG's.

And there are subtle differences in the way trans lovers and open minded guys treat their Tgirls as well. An example can be seen in the way they approach or talk to you (this is based mostly on internet conversations).

And consequently.... Any moron who has an opening line like "how big are you" is extremely disrespectful to any rational thinking human being.

TG's handle the situation with varying degrees of grace / class too! In my opinion....TG's could save themselves and others a large chunk of embarassment / heartache / bad feelings if they were clear, honest and up front with what they like and dislike. I have met many, many TG's who are not even honest with themselves...regarding this subject. Again, this is based on my own personal experience and as such is anecdotal. I have met more than a few TG's even on this BB (scanning the member list) who fit this bill to a T.

Trans Lover: "How big are you?"

Open minded Guy: "You still suck, right?"

I have many other examples but I want to hear from y'all first! smile


I respect your feelings you have about your body. Try to see things from another vantage point....

There are a lot of guys out there who appreciate the great lengths that TG's go to to get that GG look....really! There are a lot of guys out there (mysel included) whom are not in the least bit attracted to Mel Gibson / bodybuilders/ the dude next door. There are a lot of guys who do find the juxtaposition of a "shemale" very, very attractive. Should these "Shemales" for-go any intimacy or meaningfull relationships? I don't think so. Should the guys who like fully functioning TG's be forsaken? I hope not. Life is hard enough without splintering this fragile group even further. As to what label you choose to lay on us...
well, that's your choice. I for one don't want my ass to be on the recieving end of anyone's appendage. But I'll not berate or label you if your sexual persuasion leads you to feel otherwise. That's your right.

Peace.

ps, forgive my mis spells... i didn't see a spell check on this BB.

[marcello]

well put!

[maggiegee]

Some abhor the fact that they have male "parts", some tolerate this aspect of their physical make-up while others would not think of having SRS and still enjoy having their male parts. Many but all in this last category seem OK with the term "shemale". They have gone to great lengths to appear as a GG's...having hip / buttox / and breast implants....yet they prefer to retain their male functionality.

They don't usually mesh well with Tgirls who don't want their cocks being played with because they want to be women in all ways.

Correction: They do not sexually mesh with some Tgirls...."


There are a lot of guys out there who appreciate the great lengths that TG's go to to get that GG look....really! There are a lot of guys out there (mysel included) whom are not in the least bit attracted to Mel Gibson / bodybuilders/ the dude next door. There are a lot of guys who do find the juxtaposition of a "shemale" very, very attractive. Should these "Shemales" for-go any intimacy or meaningfull relationships? I don't think so. Should the guys who like fully functioning TG's be forsaken? I hope not. Life is hard enough without splintering this fragile group even further. As to what label you choose to lay on us...
well, that's your choice. I for one don't want my ass to be on the recieving end of anyone's appendage. But I'll not berate or label you if your sexual persuasion leads you to feel otherwise. That's your right.

Peace.[/i]

ps, forgive my mis spells... i didn't see a spell check on this BB.



Maggiegee's concerns are in blue:


Did I miss a meeting, since when did transwomen start liking the term 'shemale'.

At best it is a marketing term used by those in the adult entertainment industry.
Some transwomen may use it to promote their business interests.

But this is a total newsflash, that we are actually 'ok' with it.

Perhaps I am misinterpreting the statement, as the hour is late.

I am not the PC police, but what gives?

As a transwoman of color, you can rest assured I will miss no more meetings, the last one I missed they brought back the 'N" word :mad: :mad:

[2Real4U]

sorry.... that was a miss type....my error. It should have read "many but not all"....

...which in hindsight should just read "some" or "a few"

This is also anecdotal....I am just speaking from personal experience. My TGF refers to herself as a shemale on ocassion because she wishes to retain full male functionality. A few of her friends also refer to themselves as Shemales....not as often as TG...but on ocassion.

[maggiegee]

sorry.... that was a miss type....my error. It should have read "many but not all"....

...which in hindsight should just read "some" or "a few"

This is also anecdotal....I am just speaking from personal experience. My TGF refers to herself as a shemale on ocassion because she wishes to retain full male functionality. A few of her friends also refer to themselves as Shemales....not as often as TG...but on ocassion.

I had a feeling and was hoping that's what you meant.

Now if we can only get the 'chicks with dicks', and the 'something extra' lobby, out of office, I can say my prayers were answered :prayer:

All jokes aside of all the minorities, women, people of color, gay, handi-able. Transpeople really seem to be the last ones up at bat to get all of their rights, or to get the respect of society. :(

[PetalsInMyHair]

sorry.... that was a miss type....my error. It should have read "many but not all"....

...which in hindsight should just read "some" or "a few"

This is also anecdotal....I am just speaking from personal experience. My TGF refers to herself as a shemale on ocassion because she wishes to retain full male functionality. A few of her friends also refer to themselves as Shemales....not as often as TG...but on ocassion.

I had a feeling and was hoping that's what you meant.

Now if we can only get the 'chicks with dicks', and the 'something extra' lobby, out of office, I can say my prayers were answered :prayer:

All jokes aside of all the minorities, women, people of color, gay, handi-able. Transpeople really seem to be the last ones up at bat to get all of their rights, or to get the respect of society. :(

*sigh* Tell me about it... I often rant to my friends in a very frustrated tone about how unfair the law - and often society - is towards trans people...

If someone reffered to me as a she-male I'd be very peeved. In my eyes I'm a pre-op TS, not a shemale or ladyboy or a chick with a dick... though a friend of my parents' used to call me 'chick with a dick', however I wasn't aware until my friend told me... I took it quite well because he's an ok guy who makes fun and jokes around a lot.

[MsDazzler]

sorry.... that was a miss type....my error. It should have read "many but not all"....

...which in hindsight should just read "some" or "a few"

This is also anecdotal....I am just speaking from personal experience. My TGF refers to herself as a shemale on ocassion because she wishes to retain full male functionality. A few of her friends also refer to themselves as Shemales....not as often as TG...but on ocassion.

I noticed that you love to generalize in your posts lately..

[BeardedOne]

Now if we can only get the 'chicks with dicks', and the 'something extra' lobby, out of office, I can say my prayers were answered

It's interesting how one person's reaction or concern can have a positive affect on those around them. Personally, I cringe at the sound of the word/reference "Shemale". It just doesn't sound right, let alone the lack of respect it shows to TG/TS women. Apparently, my distaste for the word/reference clearly shows through as I've noticed recent emails and IMs from my partners (I must confess: We are exploring the world of online adult entertainment) have completely eliminated the word/reference from their vocabulary (Except when referring to a particular vid title) when speaking or mailing to me.

As to 'chicks with dicks': Britney Spears (C'mon, do you know any other way to refer to KF?).

And women with 'something extra'? My vote goes to Sandra Butt...er...Bullock. ;)

[2Real4U]

"I noticed that you love to generalize in your posts lately.."

Nothing could be further from the truth. I detest generalizations. A poster questioned my post and I pointed out an obvious gramatical error. She questioned me and I replied in a manner that would hopefully shed a bit more light on my POV.

I am the last person you would find saying "all TG's......."

So I guess that's why I get get a little peeved when peeps like you lump all "guys" into the same category.

Rule number one with me is that I will let you (or anyone for that matter) define yourself. All I ask in return is the same. I am not a label....and can not be stuck in a well defined catagory.....and I'll bet your the same way too :)
I really don't even like to use such limiting definitions such as TG, TS, Bi, Gay, Shemale, Straight...etc....they all seem somewhat crude tools to use when having a reasonable dialog with someone....
The reality of life is that everything is just shades of gray.

Peace

[tonka]

I may get a little on the rambling side, if I do I apologize. My view on the subject, and i could very well be wrong, is that most if not all the guys here are here initially because they like transsexuals, and in particular pre-op transsexuals. It seems a lot of guys won't admit that , but if thats what you are attracted to than so be it. I imagined transsexuals before I even knew there really was such a thing, ts women just turn me on more than GG women, and its not because of some percieved ultra-feminity, its because they have cocks. There, i said it. I think the trans-lover/open minded guy debate comes in on a different level. Sexual attraction is not the same as love, that i think comes from somplace else. My gf is a pre-op ts and we have been together for three years, she is the only ts i have been with, and i knew i loved her before i ever slept with her. So as far as that goes she could have been a gg or post op and i would feel the same way about her, but i never would have met her int eh first place if i hadn;t been looking at ts personals. I have always tried to be respectful of ts women, realizing that they don;t want to be viewed as objects or as a fetish, but i also know what turns me on sexually. As far as my gf, our lives are pretty normal, really, except that she runs a porn site. Anyway, i guess what i am saying is sometimes i feel like the guys, myself included, that like ts girls have more issues than the ts women have, but if thats what you like than you might as well admit it, and just go for it. And as far as the girls go, its probalbly hard to find a guy if you don;t like any of the guys that like you because you think they are gay, and are waiting for a "straight" guy to come along that is not going to care about your history. Hell, parts is parts pretty much anyway. My only real regret, that may be too strong, but i sometimes get sad that i probably won't be a father, but i guess there are ways around that too. I think once you get past playing the field and are ina relationship, then the labels really don;t matter anymore anyway. I have probably not made any sense, i should think about this more and get it to where i can artiulate my thoughts better. Anyway, its a good discussion.

[exmachina]

Tonka,

You're wrong....to a certain extent. I had a long discussion at Freddies tonight ....and *DO NOT like shemales"....I like tgirls.

I don't want them to identify themsleves as other than female....Period. On top of that... I still love "gurls"... and I still love "grrls"... but I understand that women of the latter persuasion do not like us of the former persuasion

My God I'm an asshole... whatever you identify yourself as.. rock and roll....y'know...everything I ever say is wrong... so I'll just shut up now... night everyone.

[edgeduderocks]

This has proved to be an interesting topic.

I would just consider myself an understaning guy.

Hi Maggie, you're posts were interesting.

[Corum]

It's really difficult to understand or itemize attraction beyond blatant physical attributes although a whole lotta people seem to be trying to do so......and why even bother!?!?!? It's hard enough finding someone that turns one on...much less trying to understand why.....Femininity is a turn on and that's good enough for me!

[Craig]

I know I like girls and I like femininity.
Most Tgirls want to be girls more than many genetic girls out there and they often seem to take even greater pride in their appearance and femininity, it is a real turn on.

[robin]

I know I like girls and I like femininity.
Most Tgirls want to be girls more than many genetic girls out there and they often seem to take even greater pride in their appearance and femininity, it is a real turn on.

This is a plebeian desire within you sir. You evoke tragic faustian choreographic logistics in your wantings sir. There is frenzied discompsure in your tone sir. There is an anonymous flood light above your avatar sir.

[MsDazzler]

well, I can say with certainity now that my hypothesis has pretty much been proved through my years of experience after this thread was originally created. lol

Tranny chasers/lovers are so different from "regular", open-minded guys who just happen to like tgirls as well